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Leccy Lanc X
« on: February 26, 2004, 12:29:57 PM »
Continued from Leccy Lanc V1111 (should have been 1X !)
The buck stops here.


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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2004, 15:38:42 PM »
Thought I'd christen the new thread.....ah well another day off due to snow, poor me, just got to go and do some more modelling after making the obligatory snowman with my daughter.  Wot a life  ;D

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2004, 16:16:54 PM »
Dam gordon, you beat me to it   ;D

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2004, 20:11:00 PM »
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Continued from Leccy Lanc V1111 (should have been 1X !)  
....ahem u mean ix WIZ  ;D ;D ;D  still better than V V centurion  ;D

Weather's awful, hope the school's closed tomorrow, need the time to keep modelling!  ;)
« Last Edit: February 26, 2004, 20:12:34 PM by Gordon »

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2004, 20:41:50 PM »
Hi guys,
just weighed my wing  .... comes in at 1.62Kg.

Thats with the two HS-101 MG servos for the ailerons, 4 motors/GB's, retracts & wheels, with SD200 retract servo all the plumbing and of course the balsa, solarfilm & paint !

The ESC & battery are in the fuz

Any one got a lighter wing ??

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2004, 23:10:07 PM »
morning all

perhaps, inkeeping with the previous roman numera miss numbering, this thread should be IXI  ? :o

I will weigh my foam wing tonight for yaz all. :)

gordon wot you mean nearly fried your ESC? You thought that one had slipper throught to the keeper without anyone noticing :P  but im on the case and kicking bottom!  wadidyado hu hu hu hu ! ;)

I cant talk i still havent looked at why my rudders dont go!

cheers all

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2004, 08:01:56 AM »
I just weighed my wing....350g....

Of course I still have to add the motors/gearboxes/props/nacelles/servos/wintips/covering/retracts/wheels etc...

 :) ;D

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2004, 09:06:23 AM »
Decals

Won't add much weight to the wing but that's not the point of this note!

I'm trying to use JETCAL paper to produce the markings for the Lanc. but am finding it looks rather too much like paper glued on rather than a paint job. Has anyone had better luck with this stuff?

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2004, 09:35:40 AM »
Craig..just a case of being half asleep and cross connecting the ESC...caught it just in time.  Functioned it and it still whines as advertised...must had had a diode in the circuit..phew   ;D

Dek....still to use the stuff sorry.

BD....u win, even with your ESC in the fuselage  ;D

Got my wish...schools closed for a second day...more modelling....feel as smug as BD and Craig after their maiden flights  ;D


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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2004, 10:52:47 AM »
Dek,

I haven't used JETCAL to make decals...then again I'm not quite at that stage :)...But I did see some decal sheet at a lhs recently.....................Unfortunately it was about $25 a pack for two sheets of, at best 8x4'. I don't know if it works or not...but at that price if it doesn't work I'd be asking for my money back ;)

I'm going to use the circle cutter method to produce the roundels, and probably freehand/exacto blade the markings. I've used this method before and it really does work. It helps to have a few (but not too many :)) drinks to steady the hands of course..

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2004, 11:50:18 AM »
Jetcal is now called lazertran.
I had another look at their website and..... hmmmmmm
could it possibly be?
Surely not?
Am I printing on the wrong side of the paper?

I'll let you know

Derek

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2004, 18:46:39 PM »
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could it possibly be?  Surely not? Am I printing on the wrong side of the paper?
...and with me nearly cooking my ESC I'd maybe better lay off the turps methinks! (until I make up my decals!!!).

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2004, 18:15:46 PM »

Am I printing on the wrong side of the paper?
I'll let you know

Yup!!

That was the answer

Derek

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2004, 18:44:16 PM »
Dek..thanks for reassuring me that I'm not the only one who c%"$ks up when modelling!

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2004, 08:04:37 AM »
Jetcal / Lazertran

Jetcal instructions say "print on the white side". - Both sides look pretty white to me.
Lazertran instruction say " print on the side with the slight greenish tinge" - can't see it.
One side does seem to be slightly smoother than the other.
I'm now printing BOTH sides to be safe and avoid wasting any more of this rather pricey paper.

Derek

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #15 on: February 29, 2004, 17:41:09 PM »
Hi Dek et al...quiet this last week or so, where is everyone lately?  

Dek, all I can say is that your hassle will help everyone on the thread ('oh how noble of me' I hear Dek say  ;D ).  I'll be at that stage in about 8 weeks, so your hassles are being WELL noted by yours truly.  I'm still working on the ailerons and should be ready for skinning the top of the mainplane in a day or so (got a gut feeling I don't have enough 1/16" sheet!)  I'll take a pic before starting to show the final layout.      
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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #16 on: February 29, 2004, 18:31:26 PM »
Hi Gordon
I've started PAINTING !!!

All of the black underside is complete and I've got the first coat camo. on top sides. There's one decal on the side to see how the Jetcal works. I've indulged myself in a set of three bladed props for the static display, the crew are ready to get aboard and it looks the business!

I was determined to be ready for the club show on March 24th and I'm going to make it. Only 14 months from start to finish, (Tony N reckoned a fortnight didn't he?)

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #17 on: February 29, 2004, 22:05:54 PM »
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Tony N reckoned a fortnight didn't he?)
 
...Too true Dek, u wonder what these people do for a living?  I can see me still being busy on this model in the summer and of course SHMBO has revoked my flying certificate for the lanc until the November model fair is over!  

Dek are u covering your lanc or is it sealed surface with cammo?

Now Dek the obvious thing to ask is PICS PICS PICS !  Here's 2 showing my final setup before sheeting the top wing.  Second one on next page.  This setup shows the servos being fed from the battery pack (not fitted in pic, with modified Tamiya connector using gold connectors at top of pic).  

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2004, 22:14:46 PM »
Here's the last pic showing the aileron assembly and the output rod (decided on plastic rather than metal clevises, as it's a slow speed model).  

Oh, just remembered, the trailing edge looks battered and it is!  However, I glued strips of birch ply along the trailing edge, so that the upper and lower skins have a hard edge to finish on.  I think that will allow the model to be more robust to 'hanger rash'?  (needs to be in my garage!  ;D ).

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2004, 03:30:41 AM »
Hey Gordon whats that circuit card on the servo?

TOm

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2004, 09:48:34 AM »
Hi all

Well i thought i had better weigh my foamie wing and the answer is 1.5 kg's that is everything.  ie air tank and retract control, speed controller, retract servo, aileron servos, 4 motors, boxes, props, spinners, retracts, wheels, heck there was even some air in the tank!

I took mine to the field on the weekend (sounds like a song doesnt it), when i got there, it was perfect, almost no wind and a very pleasant 26 degrees.  a bunch of my club mates were filling some of the bigger the cracks in the ground outside the watered areas with sand, so i thought i should help.   well a couple of hours later when we finshed there was a whole lot more people there and the wind was up to 15 knots so i put everyting back in the car and went home.  A goiod day eh,  at least i didnt break anything!

cheers all and KEEP BUILDING!!

wings of the mozzie are about 1/3 done!

Cheers

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2004, 12:07:19 PM »
Hi guys...TM...that circuit board is actually a leadlock connector to stop the pins floating free over time (does look like a circuit board come to think of it  ;D ).

craig...1.5kg for a foamie wing...that about 0.15kg less than the balsa equivalent...interesting!
« Last Edit: March 01, 2004, 12:08:40 PM by Gordon »

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2004, 12:25:44 PM »
Hi guys,
thanks for that Craig ..... agree with you Gordon, I was expecting something lighter ....

OK - how heavy is the fuselage then .... ( less battery pack)

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2004, 13:13:02 PM »
BD...is that a challenge thrown open to us lesser mortals or Craig alone?  U know I'm going to win this one?  ('cos u traditional builders have to add on your fixed tail assemblies don't u?). Uh Uh!   ;D 8)  
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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2004, 20:26:18 PM »
The challenge...fuselage with cockpit and turrets, with a sheet of balsa for the top skin to do = 0.425Kg.  

Et Tu BD?  ;)  ::)

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2004, 21:40:05 PM »
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Et Tu BD?

780 gms .....

Thats complete with SD200's for rudders, elevator and tailwheel, JR mini Rx, 300mAh Rx battery, ESC

Hhmmm - looks like I've found that extra weight. But what to do about it ?

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2004, 23:23:16 PM »
hi all

Not at home to weigh mine at the moment, but i will do tonight.

gordon what does yours weigh when you add back in the removable empenage?  2 servos a tail wheel and the other stuff. structure etc i would think in the order of another 200- 250gms.  or something like that?

I have finally got my tail wheel working. Dang nabit if it wasnt something intermittent in the servo itself.  fortunately i had a spare i could use.

finished the ailerons, and the flaps for the left wing,  and started the right wing structure, for the new mozzie.  SHMBO went to Yoga last night ;)

cheers all

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2004, 09:09:30 AM »
BD & Craig...it's an uneven contest, as Craig pointed out if I add the tail assembly it will certainly be heavier than BDs total.  I'll do that tonight.  I was still unhappy with the clenching effect of my retract grub screws, so I tapped the threads on the aluminium castings on the Eurokits and they are perfect now....Eurokit owners please note!

Now working on skinning the top wing and finishing the ailerons.

Here's a techie question.  If I used the Rx battery in it's correct position and the ESC (no wires isolated) in position 3, where it works as advertised, would that not just leave the power pack to power the motors as I want?

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2004, 11:12:41 AM »
Hi guys,
I have inadvertently run my Rx just like that Gordon - with no apparent problems ....

However, I wouldn't reccomend it. There is (warning pun imminent !) potential for the two power sources to fight one another - that is to say one would drain the other if their voltages are out of balance ... this effect would not drain either source to anywhere near zero though.

A diode could be fitted in each power feed to stop this effect, but the best solution is to isolate the Rx power feed from the ESC in the throttle connector and rely on the separate Rx NiCd.

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2004, 12:49:50 PM »
Thanks once again Guru!  Will experiment with that setup once I get home.  ;)

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2004, 23:20:56 PM »
Ok BD, here's the result of an unusual nights work.

1.  Rx battery fitted, ESC on/off switch found to be inoperative.  Rx battery removed, ESC on/off switch worked as advertised. (System worked with Rx battery and Power pack fitted).

2.  All ESC wires isolated in turn, ESC didn't work in any wire configuration.

3.  ESC fitted to Rx with no Rx battery, worked as advertised.

And so the night wore on.... ???

Restrictor fitted to 'up' line of retracts and nipped to just about closed....still retracted like the clappers!  Found that the newer retract I bought recently needs more pressure to lock up, so to get both up I've decided to keep to slamming up speed.  Not scale, but I'd like both wheels inside their wheel bays (when I've made them!).  Found that I can get 5 cycles of the undercarriage from one full tank.

Now as for the tail assembly weight.....must do that soon.

Regards from Bemused of Moray.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2004, 23:21:49 PM by Gordon »

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2004, 23:52:10 PM »
I agree with BD

if you are running a 4 cell receiver pack then it is a 4.8 V suply to the servos etc.  by not pulling the red wire from the ESC it will also be supplying power to the system but it may be at a different voltage, you would need to check the details on the ESC  from the supplier.  

I would be very uneasy with deliberately leaving both sources available.  there are also other things you could do.  if you dont want to runa separate receiver pack you could get a USB that would draw power from your flight pack to supply the receiver and servos that has a muvh higher capability than that of the ESC.    these arent too expensive and means that for a few grams you get the current supply equivalent to a separate receiver pack but you dont need to remember to keep it charged etc..


i forgot to weigh my fuz last night sorry.  I will do it tonight.  I did however get a fair bit of assembly done on the right wing of the new Mozz

Craig

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2004, 00:07:04 AM »
Thanks for that info Craig.  I think in the medium term I'm tempted to upgrade my power pack and use the setup without the Rx battery.  BDs 3000MAh pack seems to stick in my mind and LiPo is just too much cash now that I've spend cash on a decent NiMH charger  >:(

Craig...have u thought of starting a Mossie thread, u would be assured of one regular viewer each day!  ;D  Sounds a nice model to do.  

Tail weight with 2 servos, tail wheel and linkages was 205 grammes.  So the fuselage and tail together (425 + 205) should be hovering around 630 grammes excluding that power pack.  Add on the wing at 1.65Kg and without the power pack that would make my lanc about 2.28Kg?  Convert that to real money and it's a fraction over 5 Lbs.  What u make of that NPJ?  Overweight lanc indeed!!!
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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2004, 08:59:17 AM »
hi All

I promised i would weigh my fuz and the magic number is......

509gms,  that is 2 servos in the tail, receiver and cabling ie everthing that wasnt in the wing except the flight battery

not too shabby eh!!!

I would start a mozzie thread but i havent got a digital camera to make it worth while.    :'(

anyway

cheers  all

Craig


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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2004, 09:12:04 AM »
Craig

Have you thought of getting a Web Cam?

Not the best pictures, but if used in good lighting conditions might be worth considering, not expensive either.

keith  8)

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2004, 12:51:21 PM »
No leave the web cam on and we can see your progression  :)

Tom

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2004, 12:57:46 PM »
A live lanc build...now that would be interesting!  ;D

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« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2004, 14:51:44 PM »
And we'd have 24hr coverage with Craig & Arel down under ....

The thread could be ...

"I'm a squadron leader - get me out of here!!"

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2004, 15:02:36 PM »
Very drole BD.... ;D ;D ;D ;D

How about 'Turps on Tap?'

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Re:Leccy Lanc X
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2004, 17:53:36 PM »
OK Just to keep you happy Gordon.....Hullo !! ;D ;D ;D Got my wood and cowls etc, still waiting on the plan. Where should I buy my motors, gearboxes and props from ?

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