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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #120 on: March 10, 2006, 13:04:21 PM »
Nice one Walts,
the one I was looking at was actually 74, so that's a 24 saving. that's a good bargaining point with the Mrs, you know how woman like to think they're gettting a bargain 8) even though it's for me ;D

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ps, what's been said about the shop?


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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #121 on: March 10, 2006, 15:14:42 PM »
Hi John,
 I don't want to go digging old dirt, but there was a thread on here of about 3 pages or so slating them. I think it was mostly to do with their on line ordering, things getting forgotten to be sent out a week after the order was placed, etc.  But as i said I,ve used them a couple of times with no problems, so thats a 100% positive from me :af
Mind you i always phone and speak to them, that way you can confirm the item is in stock and being dispatched that day. I never trust on line ordering services, but thats just me. Do West wings only make one size of Hunter? cos that sounds like a massive difference in price for the same kit :o

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #122 on: March 10, 2006, 16:22:54 PM »
Hi Walts,
Yea it's the same model, Amazing the difference in prices on-line, and the postage costs.

Tell you what does look good, the new e-flite P-47 Thunderbolt, looks a great model to keep your hand in and not too much setting up once it's built. only 59.99 and comes with a 480 motor.

look at the video on www.e-fliterc.com

Regards

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #123 on: March 10, 2006, 19:44:26 PM »
Yep John, that p47 certainly does look a nice little model. I keep saying i should get a nice little ARTF model, so i can step out my door and snatch some flying time. But I've been spending far to much trying to get the ones I've got flying, and the wife's good nature is starting to wear a little thin :o

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #124 on: March 10, 2006, 22:57:37 PM »
Hi Guys,

if your looking for a park flyer which flies great, looks good in the air and is a ball to fly, you should check out the Sig lil Rascal.  I got myself one after reading this review and have never regreted the decision. It could be described as a scale model of the Sig Rascal I suppose....

http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4433

Cheers

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #125 on: March 11, 2006, 12:03:57 PM »
Hi Simon
        Thats another nice looking little model, i think I'll definitely be getting something to fly in the comming summer evenings that doesn't entail a trip to the flying Field ;)

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #126 on: March 12, 2006, 14:41:50 PM »
John
    I don't want to get involved in slagging matches regarding model shops and suppliers etc. But as i have been singing a certain shops praises on here. I feel its only right to keep you in the picture before you go ordering, taking my word for it. As they say fore-warned is fore-armed, so take a look at my last post in the 'newbie charger question' thread.My sucsess rate has just fallen to 66% Enough said ;)

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #127 on: March 14, 2006, 05:42:43 AM »
Hi all
Walts, thanks for compliments mate i am pretty happy with it.  NOw all i need to do is get it back in the air after i dumb thumbed it into the ground.  the repairs arent what is taking the time it is the enhancements that i am doing that are delaying the progress.  that and the 262 :)

any sign of flight from gordon or others :)

Craig

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #128 on: March 14, 2006, 09:51:06 AM »
Hi Craig,
       I,ve come to the conclusion that Gordon's new work shop has caved in on him, if I'm right we might hear from him around May time, when the highlands start to thaw out ;D ;D ;D
As soon as i get my new charger and power supply I'm going to test my Lanc set up to its limits. There is no point worrying about damaging a set up that ain't going to work anyway. So if i do end up losing my eyebrows, I'll look at an alternative power system,This fat old Lady will fly one day!!

Cheers Walts


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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #129 on: March 14, 2006, 14:37:28 PM »
To John and any others that may have taken on board my comments re: Inwoods.

Firstly, I feel a little embarrassed that i allowed my self to air my frustration publicly, having refrained from taking part in the particular thread mentioned earlier,and must give credit where credit is due.
Having realised their error, Inwoods dispatched my goods via private courier, which arrived today, and have made no charge for delivery what so ever to me.

If that is not a man that is trying, then i do not know what is!
Credit to Inwoods for taking extra measures to rectify their mistake :af

Kind regards Walts

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #130 on: March 15, 2006, 23:59:39 PM »
Hi Guys, just dropped in to say I'm still around, but school marking is taking its toll of any spare time I have just now.  Walts, thanks for thinking about me and that Halifax plan.  I managed to buy the Traplex Halifax plan about 2 years ago (along with a data sheet), so that's one is for my retirement (will be by the time I get round to it).

Still haven't run the lanc on the 3300MAh pack, but nearly did it 2 nights ago before SWMBO put our daughters sleep before my fun!   :ww  Good decision, as our daughter won her music competition the next morning  :af :af


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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #131 on: March 17, 2006, 09:59:36 AM »
Hi Gordon,
          It's good to hear your still around. There hasn't really been that much going on here for a while anyway, must be something to do with the weather we're all having at the mo :(
Got my Prodigy II, and power supply now, and cycled the 10 cell 3500mah pack so going to try it latter, just in short controlled bursts. The idea is to see what volts are actually getting to the motors and see what the current draw is. Then hopefully prop to keep the amps sensible whilst achieving a much higher power out put.
Don't know if it's going to work, but like i say I'm new to all this leccy stuff, so its just a matter of experimenting and seeing what happens.

My congratulations to your daughter B.T.W. well done that girl :af

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #132 on: March 19, 2006, 21:17:47 PM »
Walts..passed on your comments to my daughter!  She was chuffed to say the least  :af  Incidentally, still not run my lanc, but check this one out!  :ev

http://www.123pc.org/fa/en-gb/p_144.html

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #133 on: March 20, 2006, 15:06:11 PM »
That big Lanc is fantastic Gordon,But 750!! plus the cost of a body guard to keep the misses from killing me, I'll pass on that one :D

Getting back to our menial 6ft Lanc's. I've just ran my new set up, Graupner 8x6 cam props and 10cell 3500mah nimh's
I really have pushed the geared 400 set up to the limits, i only ran it in short bursts to be safe, but the battery was getting pulled down to 9v's and the motors were pulling 48amps! So for a 7 1/2lb model thats producing 57.6 w/lbs!
But it's not safe, the controller & battery were heating up in a matter of seconds.

So the next stage is to fit different props and try and lose around 7amps. This should keep the motors and speed controller with in their safe ampage and still give around 50w/lbs, which i reckon will work.
Could anyone tell me what size props to go for that will shed around 7amps on this set up. As its getting a little costly to change things on the Lanc, having to multiply everything four times :o

Cheers Walts

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #134 on: March 20, 2006, 23:53:40 PM »
try an 8x5  or if you can get it an 8x5.5

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #135 on: March 21, 2006, 21:08:34 PM »
Thanks Craig
               I obviously haven't got a clue, otherwise i wouldn't be asking, but its quite amazing only 1/2"-1" less pitch could make that much difference to the amps drawn.
I thought you was going to suggest going back to the 7x6's originally used,which incidentally wont go back on now I've changed the prop adaptors :(

If this lot don't work look out for a job lot of E-props cropping up on e-bay :ev

Cheers Walts
p.s. I've just checked, if i go for APC E props, as BD felt i should have, they are only available in 8x6 or 8x4. would the lower pitch of the 8x4's be too low to fly my lanc? Bearing in mind the rpm were up to 7050 with the 10 cell and 8x6 props, compared to 6300 with 8 cells and the 17.5cm x 16cm props.
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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #136 on: March 22, 2006, 09:02:47 AM »
Hi Walts, as you know I'm running 8x6's and during my early testing, I tried 8x4's and some 9x5's. It was a while back now - 3 years ago  :o when I first flew the Lanc and I'm pretty sure the model flew with all of these props, but I felt that the 8x6 was the best of the bunch ....

I'm sure yours will fly, but bear in mind that with the higher weight comes a higher wingloading and therefore higher airspeed to keep the thing flying. I don't know how to calculate the figures, but you may find that you need the 6" pitch to get the airspeed up ....

regards
BD

I think the best thing to do would be to work out the pitch speed of all the prop choices you settle on - you may find that they're all OK and choose the one that gives the lowest current draw.

The rule of thumb is that if you reduce the dia of a prop by 1", you can increase its pitch by 1" and vice-versa

So options from an 8x6 for example would be a 9x5 or a 7x7
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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #137 on: March 22, 2006, 10:51:14 AM »
Hi BD,
     Some excellent info there again as usual :af
The scary thing is i think you might be right re. the 6" pitch being required.
I was reading this article last night about this very subject, and it included a pitch speed graph. It showed the various pitch speeds produced from pitch sizes at specific rpm. It also said that you should aim for a pitch speed around 25% higher than the flying speed of the model.
So a model that flies at 30mph would need a pitch speed of around 37.5mph.So if you took my motors spinning at 7000rpm, You would look across the top of the graph to find 7000rpm, then look down the side to find the 6" pitch and where they both meet gives a pitch speed of 40mph.
If you drop the pitch to 5" then the graph produces a pitch speed of 32mph, too low i feel.I can't go to a higher pitch because my motors are already pulling to many amps.

What the article doesn't mention is the relevance of the prop dia.
Now i spoke to someone who said it's the pitch that will effect the loading on the motor, not the dia.
Taking on board your comments re. substituting an inch pitch for an inch gain in dia, and visversa. Is it possible to unload the motors by reducing the dia but keeping the 6" pitch,or is it really the pitch that is going to lose the amps? As i said i am looking to lose around 7amps to put my motors back in a relatively safe amp window.
I've boxed myself into a corner with the weight of the model, in as far as i am getting the impression that if i drop the pitch the model might be flying on the stall all the time, and if i keep it as is it will fly, for a while, until the motors burn out, and it crashes and burns :D
Soooo, i appreciate you taking the time to lend an extra shovel, any new ideas on the above will be greatfully received :af

Cheers Walts

Oh, and where you give an example of substitutes for an 8x6, being 9x5 or 7x7, i prossume these will still produce the same current draw in a different configuration. What about a 7x6, Would this unload the amps whilst maintaining the pitch??? :-\ :-\ :-\
« Last Edit: March 22, 2006, 16:51:51 PM by Walts »

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #138 on: March 22, 2006, 11:47:43 AM »
hi, Walts, BD,
I can't offer any solutions to Walt's prop dilemma, but just wanted to share my thoughts on a proposed set-up for my Lanc and see what people think.  I am using GWS motors and gearboxes which I've just found out are rated as 7.2V.  This gives me a problem because I reckon the motors need to run 1 - 2V above their rated voltage and this means, because I am running a series/parallel circuit, I need a pack delivering abut 18V.  The only soultion I can see is a 5S li-poly which should deliver 17.5 - 18V.  If, as I've seen mentioned, the SP400's don't like too much above 10 amps, the total current draw from the battery is therefore 20 amps.  Am I right?

Worst thing about this is the cost (starting LiPoly from scratch).  Good thing is a decent weight reduction - I know that this could be largely negated by the need for ballast but it leaves me some fat to put a separate Rx NiCad right up front (the bay immediately behind the front turret is a perfect fit for this).

BTW, still waiting for TN's expose on his B17/lanc Mk.2 setup, but I am iparticularly nterested in his 3-blade props.  I think he said that they had adjustable pitch (which might help Walts with his experimentation).  Anyone know where he got them from?

Cheers

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #139 on: March 22, 2006, 12:36:12 PM »
Hi Steve, Walts, BD and all,

I've been reading this thread for a while now as i'm just about to build TN's new version. The plans arrived last week and I bought the materials last weekend. Thanks to you all for your contributions and being open with your ideas and solutions.

As a result of your comments I am going to use Ramoser (statically) variable pitch props (www.ramoser.de) on brushless motors, yes I know more money than sense :D. I bought 10 of these motors off Ebay with speed controller, prop adaptors and mounting plates for 40 each. According to the technical blurb, and we all believe that don't we ;D, they should swing 9x6 props at 18amps. When they arrive I will run some tests and let you know how they perform.

Thanks guys for all your comments, they have been really useful.

Cheers

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #140 on: March 22, 2006, 15:22:57 PM »
Hi Steve wouldn't even like to contemplate trying to answer your query,looking at the position I'm in :ev Think I'll leave that to people that actually know what they are talking about :-X

Hi Ralpharr 2001,
                    and welcome to this never ending saga :ev
Those varri props look the dogs dangly bits, and I'm sure Gordon is going to love them. But at 22.20EURO'S for an 8" hub and 2 blades x 4= 88.80Euros :o :o I'll have to give them a miss :(
I've spent another day bashing the calculator, and this leccy stuff really does swing in roundabouts. If i reduce the prop size the amps will probably go down, as the battery isn't struggling so much to deliver amps the voltage might come up some, and the rpm should also come up some. But at the weight I'm carrying if i reduce the pitch then the new pitch speed isn't going to be any good, regardless to how safe the motors now are :-\
I'm seriously thinking of giving it another go as is with the 8x6's and hoping the motors unload enough in the air to save them, Then all I've got to worry about is lowering the fat old lady back onto her spindly legs with out flattening them ;D ;D ;D
It really is becoming quite comical, i really should have paid more attention in class ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #141 on: March 24, 2006, 17:09:15 PM »
Hi guy's
        As I've obviously been getting a little frustrated with my Lanc lately i decided to take a brake from it.
So after no little tempting from John i put together one of these little baby's today.
Easily done in one day, just waiting for my new lipo battery to arrive, then she is ready to go :)
Perhaps it can play fighter escort to my Lanc when she flies, should look cool :)





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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #142 on: March 24, 2006, 17:39:37 PM »
Hi Walts - what's that then ......?


I know it's a Thunderbolt, but lets be 'avin the what, when, why, who, etc  :af

BD

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #143 on: March 24, 2006, 19:02:12 PM »
Hi BD
    John put a link to this model on the previous page. It's made by E-flight, is a foamie, and comes as a ARTF kit. Never thought I'd make a foamie, nor use lipo's. But it just shows how fast attitudes can change in this hobby.
The fact that it comes gorgeously finished and weathered helped some, and the flying video on the link sold it!!
It comes complete with a stock 480 & gear box, But if you want to make the 'full house' version they recommend upgrading to a B/L out runner.
To be honest unless you fly off a perfectly smooth runway, the supplied undercarriage will probably get ripped clean off the wing. So i decided to build assemble it as a 3 channel model to fly over the rough grass around here.
That way i save the weight of the rudder servo, hinges, push rod and u/c, and get to use the motor i paid for.
The kit cost me 53.99 and filled the day, can't wait to give it a go :)

Walts
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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #144 on: March 24, 2006, 22:12:32 PM »
Hi guys, Walts that looks the dogs dangly bits...should look great in flight.  I'm really impressed with the Parkzone FW190...would look great doing a dogfight with your Thud  :af

Lancaster is being dismantled for the next 6 weeks, as we're compressing into a small part of the cottage while the rest is re-roofed, so no room to swing a cat (and we have one!) never mind a 6' lanc, so runs for that battery will have to wait.  :ww

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #145 on: March 24, 2006, 22:33:36 PM »
Hi Gordon
           I'm really hoping to try and fly the Lanc in the next couple of weeks (just waiting for the weather) Might try one more prop change first, but hopfully I'll be able to let you know how or if it preforms on a 10 cell.
In the mean time I'm going to play with this little Thunderbolt, Should be fun :)

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p.s. A roof off in march!! you scots really are as tough as old boots :ev

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« Reply #146 on: March 25, 2006, 16:54:55 PM »
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p.s. A roof off in march!! you scots really are as tough as old boots
...SWMBOs English mate!  :ev 

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #147 on: March 26, 2006, 09:34:48 AM »
Walts, green with envy mate ;) that looks a great little model, you must give a flight report as soon as.  :af

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« Reply #148 on: March 26, 2006, 17:37:54 PM »
Absolutely John,
                   I can actually see the front garden gate now! So a sign things might be improving ::)

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #149 on: March 26, 2006, 19:45:37 PM »
Re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic today, ready for the joiners to decend on the place tomorrow.  The lanc and the 2 Spits are now in the garden shed.  Not the best place but well out of the way of dust and damage!  :)  Definately looking forward to pics of the Thud's maiden!  :af  Another guy is going to give one of the FW190s from Parkzone its maiden this weekend, so looking forward to that one too!  :af

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #150 on: March 26, 2006, 19:58:10 PM »
Hi Gordon, Where is the thread of the FW190, would like a look at that, sounds interesting

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #151 on: March 28, 2006, 16:13:16 PM »
Hi, guys,

I'm getting to the stage where I need to think about (modest) cockpit detailing.  I seem to recall most people (including Gordon) got their pilots from Pete's Pilots.  Only trouble is that his website says that, because of a backlog, he is not accepting any new orders.  Any alternatives or maybe someone would be prepared to sell me a survivor from a Cat 5 model?

Steve

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #152 on: March 28, 2006, 17:08:04 PM »
Hi Steve, best bet is to give him a bell .... he's very helpful  :af

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #153 on: March 30, 2006, 12:24:27 PM »
Hi Steve,

Had a spare Pete's Pilot, but he got nabbed for the Ripmax Spitfire.  Like BD says, I called Pete and he was dead helpful, so give him a try.   :af

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #154 on: April 01, 2006, 21:39:56 PM »
Hi guy's, this thread sure seems quiet at the moment.
Just popped in to share some news with you all. I officially became a pensioner today at the ripe old age of 42 :D The Fire brigade have found me no longer fit for duty and have put me out to pasture :'(
So brake open those boxes of un-started models Walts, there's so much to do and so much time in which to do it  :D :D :D ;D

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #155 on: April 01, 2006, 22:31:43 PM »
I see that there is an untouched Priory models Lanc kit on ebay. Eurofighter foamy ready to fly tomorrow. bill

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #156 on: April 02, 2006, 09:30:19 AM »
Walts,
sorry to hear about your job, My golfing partner was pensioned off from the fire service as being unfit for duty but he lives the life of riley so I wouldn't worry about it too much. Not much happening here flying wise, it hasn't stopped raining for two weeks and every where is sodden, even the golf course is closed so must be bad.

I'm on with a f15 foamie at the moment, it was designed to be a pusher but I've decided to give it a major hatchet job and make it into a tractor unit. It's a bugger to balance now though, the batteries are practically going to be hanging out the back :o

Apart from that not much happening, have you flew the Jug yet?

Cheers John

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #157 on: April 02, 2006, 11:25:47 AM »
Hi guy's,
        John, i went a bit earlier than i should have so no life of Riley for me, but i spent the last 12 months working out my finances and should be o.k. The Thud hasn't flown yet due to still waiting for the lipo to turn up. Sounds like you've got another hand full with that little F15 :o
Tiger, Cheers me old mate :) I'm quite excited about the new 'job' prospects, its going to be tough, but I'm sure I'll manage :af ;D ;D ;D ;D
Perhaps now I'll be able to step up production to cover the loses :ev

Cheers all Walts


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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #158 on: April 08, 2006, 10:01:54 AM »
Hello sleepy thread!

Hi all and now that the builders, joiners and uncle tom cobly and all are running all over the house at least the new roof is on and partially slated.  If we'd had the job done this week rather than last we'd have had a catastrophe as it's been high winds and torrrential rain up here.  Apart from the ceilings needing to be plasterboarded I've been busy rewiring and keeping the remaing part of the untouched cottage runnning smoothly. 

Checked up on my models in the shed and they are ok (if a little damp in there!).  The good news is that we'll have 2 new lofts when this is finished with plenty of storage space for my stuff.  However, the best news is yet to come!  Wait until you hear this....SWMBO has said that if we alter the outside shed (which is too small for anything really) I can have it for my model area!!   Mmmmm, as it alteady has power it'll be a simple case of trebling its size and insultating it from the Highland weather.  :af  So any ideas what is a 'must' in a modellers shed apart from a reliable kettle and a constant supply of good coffee?  :ww   

Walts....so your one of the genteel classes now eh?  Wish I could chill, but still got 11 years at the grindstone yet.   :-\   Still, counting the years though, as I'll never miss teaching! 

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #159 on: April 09, 2006, 13:01:32 PM »
Hi, Guys,

Been on hols for a week, but back now with a question:  those of you who added the fairing just forward of the rear turret - what's the best way of doing it?  I thought about bending a piece of balsa square strip around the fuse at the back and then adding a wider strip of plastikard to fair into the fuse further forward, but that might not work  ???.

Any suggestions gratefully received.

PS, have we all read the interview with TN in the latest RCM&E?

Steve


 

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