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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #200 on: April 23, 2006, 16:14:52 PM »
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I remember someone had a leaky retract valve & they used grease or something on the o-rings to seal it ..

BD that was the 'madman' wasn't it?  Try Walts!  :af

No flying for me this year, just too much house related stuff to do  :'(  Might try and build a dolly in my lunchtimes to get the Spit flying on the occassional Sunday though  8)
« Last Edit: April 23, 2006, 16:20:13 PM by Gordon »


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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #201 on: April 23, 2006, 16:58:38 PM »
Hi BD, Gordon & all
    Just dusting my Lanc off too because.............................its dusty :ev
But seriously, i must take her for a trip to the Field soon. The weather's been pretty stable recently and i managed another couple of flights on the little P47 thismorning. So if the foamie can handle the breeze then I've ran out of excuses not to fly the Lanc :-[
As for gaps, their big voids of nothing really :D

Take care Walts

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #202 on: April 23, 2006, 17:37:22 PM »
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Might try and build a dolly ....

not even going there .........

I've been doing some window shopping .... and been looking at the P-47 too
Trouble is quite like the YT 81" Cub or maybe the LN 60" one from Puffin Models, the West Wings EDF Hunter, The Katana Mini .......aaaarghhh ! decisions decisions ..... :D

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #203 on: April 23, 2006, 18:32:00 PM »
Quite agree BD,
                 There's plenty out there to choose from. The P47 has flown 5 times and been repaired twice! Not really any design faults just things i should have done in the first place. But a foam model like this doesn't really equate cost wise, if you concider it's rrp is 59 for a lump of foam and a brushed 480 motor, and I've just picked up a 64" ARTF Thunderbolt with flaps already fitted and retracts supplied designed for a 91F.S. for 121. I might have had a bit of a winge on my Black horse thread about the scheme it was finished in, but the build quality and what you get for the money are excellent. So two total extremes but not a significant cost difference ;)

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #204 on: April 23, 2006, 18:58:35 PM »
TR500...here's a start for Eurokits; incidentally you'd be after the small 5kg set.  Galaxy don't seem to stock them now. Go for the 'air line classic small' at 5kg a/c weight...some of us found the mini sets at 3kg a little wanting on the durability front (remember those allen key grub screws guys?)!  :af

http://www.eurokitlucca.it/ashop/Default.asp
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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #205 on: April 24, 2006, 12:40:27 PM »
Graham, welcome to the thread. try Motor & Rotors for the retracts 01923 465712

www.motorsandrotors.com/home.htm

Cheers

John

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #206 on: April 26, 2006, 14:40:46 PM »
Hi folks,i am building the rcm&e lanc and was wondering where the best place in the uk was to get the ripmax mini air retracts,also where can i get my markings from(is waterslide the best way to go ?)thanks,Graham.
Hi Graham
I just happen to have some for sale. Installed all too briefly in the Lanc, now languishing on a shelf in the workshop. Any interest?
Derek

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #207 on: April 26, 2006, 14:42:15 PM »
Hi Dek,
      Good to hear from you, Yep there's still a couple of old pieces of furniture lying around here, struggling to get our Lanc's airborne for one reason or another :D
A Storch sounds interesting, have you checked out Neil's on line build? Take care bud.
Cheers Walts
Hi Walt
No I haven't seen Neil's piece. Where is it?
Derek

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #208 on: April 26, 2006, 17:51:53 PM »
Hi Dek
      The Storch build thread is in construction zone. It's on page 2 at the moment.
Take care.
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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #209 on: April 26, 2006, 18:55:21 PM »
Hi guys,

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Hi folks,i am building the rcm&e lanc and was wondering where the best place in the uk was to get the ripmax mini air retracts,also where can i get my markings from(is waterslide the best way to go ?)thanks,Graham.

Sorry to take this long in tracking down the waterslide info TR500, but our house is like a bombsite just now  :ww

The info is 'Precision Markings, Unit 13, Abbeymill Business Centre, Paisley, Scotland.  Telephone 0141 5611201.  The chaps name is Paul Boyle and I'd recommend a bottle of Microsol to soften the transfers too.  :af

His website is www.precisionmarkings.co.uk

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #210 on: April 27, 2006, 09:53:11 AM »
Hi derek,yes i could be interested in the spare retracts you have,are they the mini or small ones i was advised to get by Gordon ? also how much are you after please,thanks Graham(tr500)

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #211 on: April 27, 2006, 10:01:33 AM »
Hi TR500
         I understand where Gordon was comming from re. the Mini's being 'light weight' But before you consider going up a size check the measurements of the mounting plates. I don't know how far you are into your build, but the Mini's where a tight fit in the original design. Or at least the original design was a tight fit around the Mini's ;)
Cheers Walts

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #212 on: April 27, 2006, 15:17:53 PM »
Hi TR500
         I understand where Gordon was comming from re. the Mini's being 'light weight' But before you consider going up a size check the measurements of the mounting plates. I don't know how far you are into your build, but the Mini's where a tight fit in the original design. Or at least the original design was a tight fit around the Mini's ;)
Cheers Walts
I'll measure mine and let you know the dimensions. I thought half price would be reasonable. Anyone remember what they cost new?
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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #213 on: April 27, 2006, 16:39:00 PM »
Hi Walt
I've just spent the last couple of hours reading through Neil's amazing on line build. What a beauty!!!
Derek

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #214 on: April 28, 2006, 00:00:06 AM »
BREAKING NEWS!.......'S' For Sugar finally flies!!!



Yep, took her down the Field today, it was blowing a fair old wind but i thought this is it, it's got to be done!
The first two take off runs were aborted due to one running off course down the slope, and the other running off the end of the strip into the long grass!
But undeterred i lined her up for a third attempt, held in loads of up to keep the tail down, loads of right to stop her swinging to the left and down the valley again, then opened the 'taps' Levelling off the elevator, the tail rose, then gently on the elevator again to lift her off the grass. Boy! now the fun & games started. I quickly realised she just didn't have the power to climb. If i let off the elevator she wanted to put her nose down, if i tried to apply gentle elevator she just waddled around in a slight tail down attitude.
I tried reducing the throttle after two circuits and she dropped the starboard wing and put her nose down. Worried about the punishment to the motors on full chat, and dreading a burn out, i lined her up for an approach.
As i throttled back slightly she lost hight fairly rapidly, i flared her out for a nice touch down, but caught the perimeter fence out the corner of my eye. Worrying she was still going too fast and would shred through the fence i cut the throttle inches above the ground and she fell the last few inches like a stone! If only i had held my throttle setting and bled the speed off on the ground i think the long grass would have arrested her.
Unfortunately i didn't get the chance to flick the retract switch as i felt i was constantly fighting the stall

The damage consisted of the starboard leg bending, the outer starboard cowl cracking and the propshaft bending. But she will live to fly another day, NOT on this power setup though. I've got a feeling that the shaft may have bent either on the earlier attempt, or in flight because the motors were making a hell of a noise as she past me.
Peter Walsh has very kindly spent the entire evening converting my obsolete video tape recording into a digital version that can be viewed by clicking the link below. Unfortunately he couldn't do much about the wife's shaky hand ::)

www.rcfun.co.uk/avifiles/ianslancaster.wmv

All the best Walts :)

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #215 on: April 28, 2006, 06:29:28 AM »
Wow, what a great account and video. Congrats on a relatively successful maiden. Nice piloting :af
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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #216 on: April 28, 2006, 06:34:42 AM »
Congratulations Walt
S Sugar looks the business and I thought the simulated gun camera shake just added authenticity.
Derek


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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #217 on: April 28, 2006, 08:14:00 AM »
Hey Walts ! Well done  :af

Reading through your post built the tension really well !

Looks fine in the air and you will need to fly it all the way to touchdown .... whatever power setup you go for ....

Here's to the next one  ;)

Come on Gordon .... your next  :ev

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #218 on: April 28, 2006, 08:37:36 AM »
Well done walts,  :af

an excellent maiden.

Me next

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #219 on: April 28, 2006, 10:53:29 AM »
Thanks Guy's
            Even after the 'crash landing' i feel really chuffed and relieved that i finally got her in the air. The damage is minimal, but I'm going to look at a better power system for her before considering flying her again. The guy's at the field said that after the first two runs they didn't feel i would get her up, and that they thought i had lost her a couple of times once she was up. The long left climb out wasn't intentional, but to explain the lay of that field, the wind was comming straight over the perimeter fence, the field drops off into a valley on the left of my take off run which the model wanted to run down even with loads of right rudder applied. Once she had started going left just prior to lift off, i think the now cross wind caught under the starboard wing and put her into a left bank. I didn't want to use to much aileron to correct the turn in case i stalled the wing, so just let her go into a controlled left climb. What really surprised me was the sound of the motors. They sounded more like 4 st's than electric. But this might of been due to the vibration on the shafts of my modified boxes.
The Lanc can have a rest in the loft while i maiden my Camel and finish the bigger ARTF Thunderbolt, But I've been told I've got to have her ready again for the club open day in September :o :D
Cheers again all, Walts :)
p.s. John i look forward to hearing a successful flight report from you soon, must have pic's though :ev :af
« Last Edit: April 28, 2006, 11:12:28 AM by Walts »

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #220 on: April 28, 2006, 12:23:50 PM »
 Hi Walts,
              Just after watching your video...well done!!....looks great in the air!!  :af

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #221 on: April 28, 2006, 15:09:54 PM »
Yeah, Walts - well done, it looks like a deft bit of piloting overcame a very tricky aeroplane!  Don't even want to think about my maiden flight, but I don't intend to do it myself: a couple of people I know are much better at it than me!

Coming back to Graham and his waterslide transfers;  do you realise that waterslides must be applied over a gloss surface to prevent the dreaded silvering of the carrier film?  I have built a lot of plastics and there are 2 methods: either use gloss paint and then matt varnish over paint and decal or use matt paint followed by local application of a glossing agent (a favourite is Johnson's 'Krystal Klear') and then the decal.  You still have to finish off with a matt varnish.

For plastics I prefer to use that range of camo colours in gloss enamel  from Hannants (forgotten the actual name) and then  a thin artists acrylic matt varnish.  For the R/C Lanc, I intend to use Halfords mixed-to-order acrylic aerosols which only come in gloss.  I am going to try masking etc to paint-on most of the markings but may have to use waterslides for some tricky nose art I intend to apply.

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #222 on: April 28, 2006, 15:15:27 PM »
Hi Walts, just watched the video again, those trees look really close !

Must say well done again too !
Would you remind me what the power setup is again ?

I've had a few landings where she's nosed over too - and a couple where an undercarriage leg has broken away from the mounting - usually just as I turn her round for a taxi back ....  :-[

Was she flying downwind just after takeoff ? That would certainly explain the attidude.
If so nothing to worry about there. She'll certainly fly agin with the setup you've got now  :af

Good Luck
BD

PS bet you fly it again by the end of the weekend  :ev

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #223 on: April 28, 2006, 16:22:30 PM »
Nice job Walts, makes it all worthwhile  :af

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #224 on: April 28, 2006, 18:04:41 PM »
Hi guy's and thanks again :)
BD yeah there's a lot of trees around, but if you've got enough power to climb they don't present a problem. But with the Lanc i learnt my lesson on the provost, if a plane is already struggling then yanking on the elevator stick ain't going to help! so yes on this occasion i was very conscious of where they all were ;)
The power set up was born out of desperation and certainly not recommended by anyone. 4 x Sp400 multiplex geared motors, Graupner 8 x 6 cam props, Puffin hi flow 3500mah 10 cell nimh's and a Jeti 50 amp ESC.
No i don't think I'll be flying it again on this set up, as i was really worried about needing full throttle for the entire flight, and was expecting to see smoke at any stage :D
But yeah I'm keen to get her up again, with a better system with plenty in reserve and my much sturdier oleo legs back on and preferably retracted the next time :)

Graham i painted all my markings, including the bomb tallies and writing, think I'll only be tempted to use decals again on a film finish like the ARTF thunderbolt.
Cheers Walts

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #225 on: April 28, 2006, 20:31:33 PM »
Um,thanks for the help re the markings chaps,i have painted her with matt enamels so might go for painting some on,has anybody done a just jane copy yet ?
Derek ,i would like to give your retracts a go,as ive built the mounts to plan,would you like my email so we can sort details ?thanks all,this is my first plan build and its great if a little bewildering at times !
thanks ,Graham

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #226 on: April 29, 2006, 12:54:45 PM »
TR500.....my lanc was humbrol sprayed and used water slide transfers which were sealed with Mirosol. Years of idleness and the transfers show no sign of drying out.   :af

Walts...impressive video and no mistake.   :af :af  As for mine, unlikely this year as too much on with the house.  However, going to make a dolly for the Spitfire before we break up for the summer holidays though, so should get some flying done then...with my new 20Gb digital camcorder I've a willing camera'woman' as my daughter has been asking to do it.   :af

Walts...how did you manage to get it on the web via rcmf? 
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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #227 on: April 29, 2006, 20:38:31 PM »
Hi Gordon,
          My wife videoed the flight on our cranky old vhs recorder a friend at our club runs his own web site www.rcfun.co.uk he holds a good library of video's mostly of our club planes.he offered to convert it to digital and host it on his site. So the link on here takes you straight to the specific video page on his site. he, sorry peter, said that if his digital camera was working he could have done a better job of it, and it would have been a lot easier to put straight onto his site, probably a lot clearer too! His also got my video of the p47 flown in the same blustery conditions where at times it appears to be standing still. Think he might be trying to put that on his site soon too :af

Incedentally, i just watched the original video again, and the two aborted runs ended in nose overs. On the actual take off run the motors were making a real racket completely different to the first two runs. So I'm convinced now that the starboard outer prop shaft was bent on the second run. In which case she took off and flew with a very sick starboard outer. Which would mean she could have flown a lot better surely on four good'ns. Real credit to Tony's design though that i managed to fly her at 7 1/2lbs and with a sick motor.
Take care
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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #228 on: April 29, 2006, 20:56:25 PM »
Walts...took off on 3 to bomb 'Happy Valley' eh?  You should have been a member of 50 squadron (they were creditied with flying with max bomb loads throughtout the war).  I watched a few video's on Peter's site and I thought the turbo prop Spitfire looked and sounded amazing!! 

As you said about having a dodgy motor and at 7.5lbs, it gave me a real shot in the arm about flying my lanc.  I want to stiffen the removable tail section before I fly her, as there's too much lateral movement for my liking...should think a lightweight locating dowel into a fixed mounting will sold that problem (better keep it mega light though, being so far from the CofG  :af

Well done again and thanks for the video...hope to do the same once I figure out how to get it on the web???  :-[ 

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #229 on: April 29, 2006, 21:39:10 PM »
I look forward to it Gordon :af
  Off to have a look around now, see if i can't find a better system for me Lanc :ev

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #230 on: April 30, 2006, 05:04:07 AM »
Congratulations on the flight. It gets me motivated to do some more fiberglassing tonight... :)

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #231 on: April 30, 2006, 12:44:35 PM »
Nice work Walts,

I reckon she looked quite scale heading into the wind ;)

The 8x6/10 cell/ Graupner box set up is a proven system in my Liberator and a couple of other planes hereabouts. Not at 7lbs though.


Gordon,

 Are you seriously writing off a whole years flying for a bit of thatching?

 :D :D

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #232 on: April 30, 2006, 16:08:31 PM »
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Are you seriously writing off a whole years flying for a bit of thatching?
...it's a bit more involved than tin roofing Arel  :af   Clattering on the tin roof would tend to keep us awake when it rains, but hey, no problem with that in Oz eh?   :af  :ev :ev

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #233 on: April 30, 2006, 19:40:20 PM »
Wow.................guess what I got for my Birthday guys?   :co

Balsacraft Hurricane & Blenheim.....that workshop has to be built now  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #234 on: May 01, 2006, 05:28:12 AM »
Well done Walts that looked excellent....

I've stuck some of my photos on our web site if anyone is interested....

http://kathyandsimon.htohananet.com/blog/Flying

Still got quite a long way to go

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #235 on: May 01, 2006, 11:54:53 AM »
Cheers Scott Arel & Simon,
       Simon, Your Lanc looks great, nearly there now :af Looks like we could have a international squadron of Lancaster's by the end of the year :co

Gordon when was your birthday? didn't see it on the banner, Gawld don't say I've missed it again!! Still plenty of incentive for you to get some modelling done now then :ev

Arel, The problem with the 10cell 8 x 6 prop set up I've got. is it's on  Multiplex 6v motors that should only be pulling 8Amps not the 12A or so they are at the moment :-[

I'm looking into upgrading my motors to B/L plus the 4 x ESC's required :o But know I've seen her fly i want to keep doing it! should be a lot more fun with some power in reserve.
I was showing off yesterday over the field about how well the little p47 flew in the wind. Trouble was i was on full throttle to penetrate the wind most of the time, and the El'cheapo ESC shut down at the most inopportune moment. Ended up landing it through the hedge row :-[ Off to get some polystyrene glue and a new prop :ev

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #236 on: May 01, 2006, 16:07:22 PM »
Birthday's on the 14th Walts!!  :ev

Sorry to hear the Thud did just that!  :co

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #237 on: May 02, 2006, 22:09:49 PM »
Well done Walts! I've just seen the video. She really looked well in the air.
More power needed eh? You could look at the cheap bell brushless / ESC combos at 19.95 each. I've been using one in my Formosa for a while and after hours of running, I've had no trouble. By the way, I'll bet that noise was those 'orrible multiplex gearboxes coming apart. I know mine were (in their original form) after just one flight plus a few ground run ups.
Anyway, well done again. Nice to see a Lanc flying.

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #238 on: May 03, 2006, 12:33:47 PM »
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You could look at the cheap bell brushless / ESC combos at 19.95 each.
...Smark, where did u get yours?  I'll need some bits for my Balsacraft Hurri and Blenheim (wot, got to plan ahead surely?  ;) ).

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Re: Leccy Lanc XI
« Reply #239 on: May 04, 2006, 00:25:29 AM »
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      Make you right about the gear boxes, don't think they liked swinging 8 x6's on the 2mm shafts :o I did try and research the bell combos with my limited leccy knowledge, But thought they wouldn't produce the power for a 7 1/2lb Lanc. so I've gone for something a bit chunkier, Just hope they do the job, because even off of Gordon's favourite place :ev the set up still cost me over 130. Had two of the motors already and I've bench ran them until i was satisfied before ordering the other two, Just hope this lot works!!
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