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Reply #200
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 02, 2009, 12:02:56 PM
Half the country is now looking mudders, fear not it will be found     Ken

 ;D ;D

I just found this from a camel..



Would it  be the same (ish) for a little fokker ??


Reply #201
Offline rcfanuk wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 02, 2009, 12:07:24 PM
Here you go mate, different plane but another Fokker  :'' :''



Steve

Global Moderator
Dawn Patrol UK

Reply #202
Offline rcfanuk wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 02, 2009, 12:18:16 PM
What more info could you need  :af



Although I do have lots of pics of aircraft without them, which is odd, but maybe they were painted over

Steve

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Dawn Patrol UK

Reply #203
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 02, 2009, 12:33:04 PM
Thanks Steve, your a star  :af :af


Reply #204
Offline rcfanuk wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 02, 2009, 15:10:01 PM
Like this stripy tailed version



 :'' :'' :af
Steve

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Dawn Patrol UK

Reply #205
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 02, 2009, 15:33:33 PM
That little fokker was taken over ny the US air service in accordance with the Armistice agreement. Also the subject of the GTM prototype.



Mud :)



Reply #206
Offline CF-FZG wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 02, 2009, 17:53:32 PM
Here you go mate, different plane but another Fokker  :'' :''

Hmmm,

Steve, on the E.V plans it's shown as "kinda" just below the pilot's left shoulder, in-line with the weight table, wonder if it was in a different place on the D.VII because of the height??


Mark.

Paint will not hide imperfections, it will just change their colour!

Reply #207
Offline rcfanuk wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 02, 2009, 19:13:10 PM
Don't know Mark, but I am pretty certain they were placed on the rigging line

Steve

Global Moderator
Dawn Patrol UK

Reply #208
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 03, 2009, 10:33:08 AM
OK, I had a go at a rigging label, I assume it would have looked something like this, if I've got it wrong please say  :af







Mud  :)


Reply #209
Offline Provostguard wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 03, 2009, 12:56:01 PM
Last Edit: April 03, 2009, 13:01:42 PM by Provostguard
Looks good to me mudders, In fact looks very good.Sometimes its those little details that can make a lot of difference. There may well be those who say Why Bother?.... I hope I speak for many who have been following your build thread that by bothering lifts the model above the average to something you must feel justly proud of, Well done that man.........Now all you need is a dummy engine but we all fully expect you have that little detail well in hand  :ev my regards and respects Ken  ;copper;...........ps, just idle speculation do you happen to know the werk nr of this particular A/C?

« Last Edit: April 03, 2009, 13:01:42 PM by Provostguard »
Flogging is to continue  untill moral improves

Reply #210
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 03, 2009, 13:05:21 PM
Looks good to me mudders, In fact looks very good.Sometimes its those little details that can make a lot of difference. There may well be those who say Why Bother?.... I hope I speak for many who have been following your build thread that by bothering lifts the model above the average to something you must feel justly proud of, Well done that man.........Now all you need is a dummy engine but we all fully expect you have that little detail well in hand  :ev my regards and respects Ken  ;copper;...........ps, just idle speculation do you happen to know the werk nr of this particular A/C?

Thanks Ken,

the Wurke Nr is 2613, why's that sparra  $%&


Reply #211
Offline Provostguard wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 03, 2009, 13:21:24 PM
Well seein as how you mention it, it occured to me that the werk nr appeared on various parts of the A/C for example the base of the rudder,sometimes on the wheeldiscs and on interplane struts, Normally in black and normally in small lettering. They also where seen on other (remouvable ) parts of the airframe such as the ailerons inboard along the l/e.These tended to be painted over in service on occasion but as the A/C you depict wasnt a service A/C and as you have the paint pot out at the moment it just crossed my mind that..................... :ev Ken  ;copper; Dont you just hate rivet counters?  :laugh: :laugh:

Flogging is to continue  untill moral improves

Reply #212
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 03, 2009, 13:48:53 PM
 ;D ;D I'm one step ahead of you mate  ;)


Reply #213
Offline Proflooney wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 03, 2009, 16:20:03 PM
looks cockeye a wee bit mud and like abt 1/32 inch too far forward  :nananana:  looks really good though


Reply #214
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 03, 2009, 17:49:06 PM
looks cockeye a wee bit mud and like abt 1/32 inch too far forward  :nananana:  looks really good though

Cheers Buddy  :P  ;D

But you have to remember there was a war on  :ev :ev


Reply #215
Offline Pup Cam wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 03, 2009, 21:22:35 PM
There may well be those who say Why Bother?.... I hope I speak for many who have been following your build thread that by bothering lifts the model above the average to something you must feel justly proud of, Well done that man.........

You're speaking for me Ken :af :af :af

Alan

Terrain avoidance is your responsibility ......

Reply #216
Offline CF-FZG wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 04, 2009, 11:04:31 AM
Mat,

Got a couple of questions for you :''

What size cable did you use for the rudder and elevator control cables?

How wide is the gap between the 'eyes' on the control horns?


Mark.

Paint will not hide imperfections, it will just change their colour!

Reply #217
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 04, 2009, 11:14:20 AM
Last Edit: April 04, 2009, 11:19:05 AM by Mudflap
Mat,

Got a couple of questions for you :''

What size cable did you use for the rudder and elevator control cables?

How wide is the gap between the 'eyes' on the control horns?


Mark.


Hi Mark,

I had some cable made up specially, plastic coated 1.6mm diameter 300lb breaking strain. Ian of the Redshaw reccommended them to me. Not exactly cheap, but great stuff. Wire Manufacturers in the UK : Ormiston Wire : Specialised Wire Manufacturers and Suppliers


The gap on the servo horns? Or the horns on the surfaces?

« Last Edit: April 04, 2009, 11:19:05 AM by Mudflap »

Reply #218
Offline CF-FZG wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 04, 2009, 11:18:23 AM
Hi Mark,

I had some cable made up specially, plastic coated 1.6mm diameter 300lb breaking strain. Ian of the Redshaw reccommended them to me and I can't remember the name now  :embarassed: , I'll have a butchers see if I can find them again on the interweb :D.

The gap on the servo horns? Or the horns on the surfaces?

Thanks Mat :af  The horns at the surfaces.

I've found some thimbles for the cable ends and 1.6mm cable is perfect, but not sure if it'll fit between the ears on the horns $%&


Mark.

Paint will not hide imperfections, it will just change their colour!

Reply #219
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 04, 2009, 11:29:13 AM
http://www.ormiston-wire.co.uk/pdf/price-list-microcables-010209.pdf

Download that PDF, I got the 7x7 extra flexable 1.6mm.

As for the crimps, Pegasus Models sell the BUSA set, proper crimper for 1/4 and 1/3 scales and a bag of crimps for about £30. Top piece of kit and a really neat job.

The 1.6mm wire fits beetween the 'ears' of the horn perfectly



Reply #220
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 04, 2009, 16:09:30 PM
Had a little engine run this arvo, first one in the aircraft, naff quality vid, but...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09IiSaJbbr0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09IiSaJbbr0</a>

The only small problem I have is the starboard gun vibrates fairly, other than that all seems ok. I just need the pilot, then I can make the seatbelt harness and final balancing. Also a little scale addition to the wheel covers and job done, pretty much..

I'm still a little bovvered with the cooling issue, I will make the scoop Ian suggested this arvo.

Mud  :)


Reply #221
Offline rcfanuk wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 04, 2009, 17:38:29 PM
 :af :af nice mate, that big prop is def the way to go :af

Steve

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Dawn Patrol UK

Reply #222
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 04, 2009, 21:58:42 PM
REQUEST TIME  :D

I'm looking for a piccy of a WW1 aircraft wheel, specifically showing the valve in the wheel cut out. Can anyone help PLEEEEESE  :-* :-*

Cheers
Mudlington McGroundcrew (Mr)


Reply #223
Offline Proflooney wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 04, 2009, 22:12:17 PM
not sure if these help you can see the grease fitting though on axle







Reply #224
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 04, 2009, 22:52:02 PM
Thanks Prof,

I'm after a pic of the valve to pump the tyres up, that wheel seems to be lacking one, must be a solid tyre  $%&


Reply #225
Offline Proflooney wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 04, 2009, 22:54:04 PM
naw the spokes are hollow. you use the fitting on the axle there  to insert air hose the air travels up the spokes and into the tire  lol  :af :banghead:


Reply #226
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 04, 2009, 22:56:55 PM
naw the spokes are hollow. you use the fitting on the axle there  to insert air hose the air travels up the spokes and into the tire  lol  :af :banghead:

LOL, They really did think of everything  :D :D


Reply #227
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 10:30:08 AM
Last Edit: April 05, 2009, 11:33:12 AM by Mudflap
I added a windscreen, why these people bothered to add them to the fullsize I don't know, they are tiny little offerings. I have a picture of a fullsize where you can easily make out the position and size. Made from the clear bit of plastic from the top of a Saito engine box, and a smudgen of litho.



And another thing I've been looking at is how they pumped the tyres up. On nearly all the piccys I have of D.VI's the opening for the valve is either a half moon on the outside of the wheel cover OR what seem to be nothing, which is why I had'nt put anything there before. Then as I was looking closely at a D.VI which seemed to have no provision to pump the tyre up I spotted the half moon shape on the INSIDE of the wheel. So 2613 must have had this. With a piccy of a valve hard to find I have improvised with a bit of brass tubing and a spring  :D





It's funny how the wheels were the first thing I made, and have ended up, pretty much the last  ::)

Things to do now.

Make ammo belts
Pilot  :study:
Make and fit seatbelt
Final CG balance
all together piccys   :D
FLY  :-\ :ev :''

Mudders

« Last Edit: April 05, 2009, 11:33:12 AM by Mudflap »

Reply #228
Offline thescaleman wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 11:06:59 AM
 :af


Reply #229
Online Smudgersmiff wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 11:22:22 AM
Things to do now.

Make ammo belts
Pilot  :study:
Make and fit seatbelt
Final CG balance
all together piccys   :D
FLY  :-\ :ev :''

Mudders

Get a move on then Muddy.........

Is it possible for me to have your PC tomorrow during the day to delete all the pictures off fix ??
Was not sure if Beanie was home during the day tomorrow or not ??

Jeff


Reply #230
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 11:32:07 AM
Last Edit: April 05, 2009, 11:37:48 AM by Mudflap
Get a move on then Muddy.........

Is it possible for me to have your PC tomorrow during the day to delete all the pictures off fix ??
Was not sure if Beanie was home during the day tomorrow or not ??

Jeff

Get a move on! I can't make the ammo belts untill I get the shells, some guy who makes proper ammo is going to cast me some up. The pilot is underway, untill I get him I can't do the CG. And I can't do the piccys till the previous get done, and the same with the flying bit  :D :D

Still a couple of weeks till warbirds  :study:

I'll let ya know about puter mate  :af

« Last Edit: April 05, 2009, 11:37:48 AM by Mudflap »

Reply #231
Online Smudgersmiff wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 11:51:22 AM
Excuses Excuses  ;D


Reply #232
Offline Provostguard wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 11:57:04 AM
There never is a finish point when building a scale model. There is allways something else that you find needs adding. BUT there comes that moment a line has to be drawn and I reckon you are fast reaching this point.....At first glance most people assume WW1 A/C are pretty basic but as you have found they are not.Everything is there for a reason even if at first the reason isnt immediatley obvious. It is allways worth keeping in mind that war is the second oldest proffesion and being so, a lot of thought goes into bigger and better ways of killing people.As moddelers of warplanes its worth keeping in mind that if it is on the prototype you are making then bye and large its there for a good reason. I suppose summing up what ime trying to say is thats it a bit like a sewer.....You will only get out what you put in. We all look forward to the maiden with anticipation. Youve done a b/...y good job mudders. regards Ken  ;copper;

Flogging is to continue  untill moral improves

Reply #233
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 13:29:47 PM
I've been practising my landing position, getting better  :D



This is the first time I've tried the ailerons since covering, Hmmm nothing there, so it's multimeter time  :(

Other than that, I ran it up all assembled, the vibration has gone in the gun now (thanks Ian) and all seems ok.

Mud :)


Reply #234
Online Smudgersmiff wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 13:34:38 PM
She looooooks Booooooooootiful as a well known farmer would say..... :af

Jeff


Reply #235
Offline CF-FZG wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 13:55:38 PM
Looks absolutely stunning Mat :af :af :af :af :af :af :af :af


Mark.

Paint will not hide imperfections, it will just change their colour!

Reply #236
Offline idigbo wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 14:10:35 PM
I wouldn't worry about the ailerons Mud, with all that dihedral it will be great on just rudder :ev ;D

Stunning :af

Ian.

THIS MAN KNOWS NOTHING AND SHOULD NOT BE LISTENED TO OR TRUSTED!!   -  Forum admin.

Reply #237
Offline Mudders wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 15:25:59 PM
All fixed on the ailerons, I had a bad crimp on the signal wire when I made up the Y lead. Re done it and all's well :uk:


Reply #238
Offline Norfolk'n'Good wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 15:27:09 PM
Phew  ???

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man the toys just got bigger

Reply #239
Offline Pup Cam wrote Re: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again... on April 05, 2009, 16:03:18 PM
Looks fantastic Mudders.   Just needs some black smoke out of the back when flying  :ev and it will really look the part.

Alan

Terrain avoidance is your responsibility ......
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