Topic: 1/3 Fokker D.VI...again...

Half the country is now looking mudders, fear not it will be found     Ken

 

I just found this from a camel..



Would it  be the same (ish) for a little fokker ??

Here you go mate, different plane but another Fokker 



Steve

What more info could you need 



Although I do have lots of pics of aircraft without them, which is odd, but maybe they were painted over

Steve

Thanks Steve, your a star 

Like this stripy tailed version



 
Steve

That little fokker was taken over ny the US air service in accordance with the Armistice agreement. Also the subject of the GTM prototype.



Mud

Here you go mate, different plane but another Fokker 

Hmmm,

Steve, on the E.V plans it's shown as "kinda" just below the pilot's left shoulder, in-line with the weight table, wonder if it was in a different place on the D.VII because of the height??


Mark.

Don't know Mark, but I am pretty certain they were placed on the rigging line

Steve

OK, I had a go at a rigging label, I assume it would have looked something like this, if I've got it wrong please say 







Mud 

Looks good to me mudders, In fact looks very good.Sometimes its those little details that can make a lot of difference. There may well be those who say Why Bother?.... I hope I speak for many who have been following your build thread that by bothering lifts the model above the average to something you must feel justly proud of, Well done that man.........Now all you need is a dummy engine but we all fully expect you have that little detail well in hand  my regards and respects Ken  ;copper;...........ps, just idle speculation do you happen to know the werk nr of this particular A/C?

Looks good to me mudders, In fact looks very good.Sometimes its those little details that can make a lot of difference. There may well be those who say Why Bother?.... I hope I speak for many who have been following your build thread that by bothering lifts the model above the average to something you must feel justly proud of, Well done that man.........Now all you need is a dummy engine but we all fully expect you have that little detail well in hand  my regards and respects Ken  ;copper;...........ps, just idle speculation do you happen to know the werk nr of this particular A/C?

Thanks Ken,

the Wurke Nr is 2613, why's that sparra 

Well seein as how you mention it, it occured to me that the werk nr appeared on various parts of the A/C for example the base of the rudder,sometimes on the wheeldiscs and on interplane struts, Normally in black and normally in small lettering. They also where seen on other (remouvable ) parts of the airframe such as the ailerons inboard along the l/e.These tended to be painted over in service on occasion but as the A/C you depict wasnt a service A/C and as you have the paint pot out at the moment it just crossed my mind that..................... Ken  ;copper; Dont you just hate rivet counters?  :laugh: :laugh:

  I'm one step ahead of you mate 

looks cockeye a wee bit mud and like abt 1/32 inch too far forward    looks really good though

looks cockeye a wee bit mud and like abt 1/32 inch too far forward    looks really good though

Cheers Buddy   

But you have to remember there was a war on 

There may well be those who say Why Bother?.... I hope I speak for many who have been following your build thread that by bothering lifts the model above the average to something you must feel justly proud of, Well done that man.........

You're speaking for me Ken

Alan

Mat,

Got a couple of questions for you

What size cable did you use for the rudder and elevator control cables?

How wide is the gap between the 'eyes' on the control horns?


Mark.

Mat,

Got a couple of questions for you

What size cable did you use for the rudder and elevator control cables?

How wide is the gap between the 'eyes' on the control horns?


Mark.

Hi Mark,

I had some cable made up specially, plastic coated 1.6mm diameter 300lb breaking strain. Ian of the Redshaw reccommended them to me. Not exactly cheap, but great stuff. Wire Manufacturers in the UK : Ormiston Wire : Specialised Wire Manufacturers and Suppliers


The gap on the servo horns? Or the horns on the surfaces?

Hi Mark,

I had some cable made up specially, plastic coated 1.6mm diameter 300lb breaking strain. Ian of the Redshaw reccommended them to me and I can't remember the name now  , I'll have a butchers see if I can find them again on the interweb .

The gap on the servo horns? Or the horns on the surfaces?

Thanks Mat   The horns at the surfaces.

I've found some thimbles for the cable ends and 1.6mm cable is perfect, but not sure if it'll fit between the ears on the horns


Mark.

http://www.ormiston-wire.co.uk/pdf/price-list-microcables-010209.pdf

Download that PDF, I got the 7x7 extra flexable 1.6mm.

As for the crimps, Pegasus Models sell the BUSA set, proper crimper for 1/4 and 1/3 scales and a bag of crimps for about £30. Top piece of kit and a really neat job.

The 1.6mm wire fits beetween the 'ears' of the horn perfectly

Had a little engine run this arvo, first one in the aircraft, naff quality vid, but...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09IiSaJbbr0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09IiSaJbbr0</a>

The only small problem I have is the starboard gun vibrates fairly, other than that all seems ok. I just need the pilot, then I can make the seatbelt harness and final balancing. Also a little scale addition to the wheel covers and job done, pretty much..

I'm still a little bovvered with the cooling issue, I will make the scoop Ian suggested this arvo.

Mud 

  nice mate, that big prop is def the way to go

Steve

REQUEST TIME 

I'm looking for a piccy of a WW1 aircraft wheel, specifically showing the valve in the wheel cut out. Can anyone help PLEEEEESE 

Cheers
Mudlington McGroundcrew (Mr)

not sure if these help you can see the grease fitting though on axle

Thanks Prof,

I'm after a pic of the valve to pump the tyres up, that wheel seems to be lacking one, must be a solid tyre 

naw the spokes are hollow. you use the fitting on the axle there  to insert air hose the air travels up the spokes and into the tire  lol 

naw the spokes are hollow. you use the fitting on the axle there  to insert air hose the air travels up the spokes and into the tire  lol 

LOL, They really did think of everything 

I added a windscreen, why these people bothered to add them to the fullsize I don't know, they are tiny little offerings. I have a picture of a fullsize where you can easily make out the position and size. Made from the clear bit of plastic from the top of a Saito engine box, and a smudgen of litho.



And another thing I've been looking at is how they pumped the tyres up. On nearly all the piccys I have of D.VI's the opening for the valve is either a half moon on the outside of the wheel cover OR what seem to be nothing, which is why I had'nt put anything there before. Then as I was looking closely at a D.VI which seemed to have no provision to pump the tyre up I spotted the half moon shape on the INSIDE of the wheel. So 2613 must have had this. With a piccy of a valve hard to find I have improvised with a bit of brass tubing and a spring 





It's funny how the wheels were the first thing I made, and have ended up, pretty much the last 

Things to do now.

Make ammo belts
Pilot 
Make and fit seatbelt
Final CG balance
all together piccys   
FLY 

Mudders

 

Things to do now.

Make ammo belts
Pilot 
Make and fit seatbelt
Final CG balance
all together piccys   
FLY 

Mudders

Get a move on then Muddy.........

Is it possible for me to have your PC tomorrow during the day to delete all the pictures off fix ??
Was not sure if Beanie was home during the day tomorrow or not ??

Jeff

Get a move on then Muddy.........

Is it possible for me to have your PC tomorrow during the day to delete all the pictures off fix ??
Was not sure if Beanie was home during the day tomorrow or not ??

Jeff

Get a move on! I can't make the ammo belts untill I get the shells, some guy who makes proper ammo is going to cast me some up. The pilot is underway, untill I get him I can't do the CG. And I can't do the piccys till the previous get done, and the same with the flying bit 

Still a couple of weeks till warbirds 

I'll let ya know about puter mate 

Excuses Excuses 

There never is a finish point when building a scale model. There is allways something else that you find needs adding. BUT there comes that moment a line has to be drawn and I reckon you are fast reaching this point.....At first glance most people assume WW1 A/C are pretty basic but as you have found they are not.Everything is there for a reason even if at first the reason isnt immediatley obvious. It is allways worth keeping in mind that war is the second oldest proffesion and being so, a lot of thought goes into bigger and better ways of killing people.As moddelers of warplanes its worth keeping in mind that if it is on the prototype you are making then bye and large its there for a good reason. I suppose summing up what ime trying to say is thats it a bit like a sewer.....You will only get out what you put in. We all look forward to the maiden with anticipation. Youve done a b/...y good job mudders. regards Ken  ;copper;

I've been practising my landing position, getting better 



This is the first time I've tried the ailerons since covering, Hmmm nothing there, so it's multimeter time  :(

Other than that, I ran it up all assembled, the vibration has gone in the gun now (thanks Ian) and all seems ok.

Mud

She looooooks Booooooooootiful as a well known farmer would say.....

Jeff

Looks absolutely stunning Mat


Mark.

I wouldn't worry about the ailerons Mud, with all that dihedral it will be great on just rudder

Stunning

Ian.

All fixed on the ailerons, I had a bad crimp on the signal wire when I made up the Y lead. Re done it and all's well

Phew 

Looks fantastic Mudders.   Just needs some black smoke out of the back when flying  and it will really look the part.

Alan