Topic: Wasp kits from cloud models

Ive now got the first 2 wasp kits from cloud models, once theyve been checked over that everything is ok and ive got the build instructions done (will appear on the e2k ebsite)
phil will release the price to which i think youll find good

ill post some snippets as i go through them later tonight

cheers

  ok ill let ya have one for £20. plus postage. :'(oops didnt mention that 

unfortuanatlly price isnt down to me as ive handed everything over to cloud models and dont have any financial gain from the kits

  cheers

Nice work Darren

Confimation that the wasp kit will be priced at £39.99 plus postage (details below)

The kits are the same as the original wasp constructed from lightply, but with the advantage of being CNC cut. This has allowed the use of fixing tabs, making alignment quick and easy on the fuselauge and formers.
The wing set is the same as the wasp kit youve seen in Stueysheep's build thread, and already up for sale at cloud models.   Everything included, leading/trailing edge, wing caps, servo covers and full instructions.
There is a hardware pack included, this includes everything from control hinge horns, mylar hinging, wing bolt, 4 metal pushrods etc etc.
There is also dowel supplied for the elevator pushrod.
Not shown in this kit, phil has agreed to supply 4x  3mmx15mm bolts and captive nuts to mount the motor on with,  the motor mount will have the motor mount holes cnc cut including the hole for the motor wires to go through.
The kit is as complete as we could possibly do it, we still have a couple of areas to look at, and to complete the build instructions, once all thats done and were happy she'll be ready and up for sale at cloud models Home as soon as.

The IC version will be ready shortly afterwards and Phils looking at making it a complete kit as well, inc engine mount, tank etc

A few pic's below, and ill post a couple of the build, I wont do a build thread but the build instructions will be availible to download from www.e2kpylon.co.uk when they are done.

Hope you enjoy.  Best of British 

Postage cost from cloud models is

Goods value      Postage cost
£9.99               £2.00
£10/39.99         £5.00
£40.00 +          £6.50
Buy 2 wing kits or 2 kits or one of each postage cost will only be £6.50
Outside UK please contact Cloud Models for shipping cost

Wow, well done cloud, daz and anyone else involved. I have my credit card twitching. I reckon I could build one of those! Trust me that is flattering

oh bugger, why didn't I wait... 

Im concidering that at the moment Dunc.
ive done a hatch on one plane but its presented a problem where the s/c lives as most have attached it somewhere underneath the top deck, not quite sure how you mean arming the s/c.!
s/c been left attached and a conventional switch has been used for the reciever power to arm/disarm.
The biggest problem i found was if you needed to change the speed controller it involved removing the motor to allow access to the bullet connectorsbetween motor and s/c with a small top hatch it allowed easy access for quick change overs.........but presents a problem in the s/c location as i dont want it to sit loose on top of the battery.......so still working on that one at the moment
The original battery hatch on the bottom front deck was a great iedia to save wing removal, but was impractical.

ok, it wasnt a turborex one was it..........mine are dead if the recievers not on.......but even with that i dont plan to make it live untill the previous race is down before connecting the battery and bolting the wing on, that was why i did the wing with just one bolt fixing to speed it up.

i remember when some of the first cheap electric gliders come on the market they had arming switches, is it possible to get a dedicated arming swith that kills everything with the battery still connected

cheers

MOTY for Darren i reckon...

Does that mean a medal   

Waiting for some adjusted cnc parts to arrive to complete the kit alterations.
I think ive got it all sussed now.

The front bulkhead will now have the central hole cut for the rear motor shaft to fit through, 1 vent hole (if not needed simply iron the covering over)will be added and 1 for the motor wires, either hole can be used for either pupose,
the 4 motor mount holes will be cut, and 4 x 3mm x 10mm bolts and captive nuts will be supplied

There will also be 2 slot vents on the top front deck for cooling, again if not needed dont remove and cover over when you do the covering.

Access to the s/c motor bullet connectors there will be a small hatch (otherwise it is remove the motor to get access)on the front bottom deck, again if its not needed dont remove it and cover over when covering

s/c will sit on a simple saddle at the top underneath the top deck, no velcro fitting needed, allows maximun cooling if the vents are used and keeps the s/c out of the way.

wing bolt securing plate will now have the hole cut for the captive nut

c of g range will also be marked on the fuselauge sides as an easy guide

If done in the right sequence with a bottle of cyno i did the first one complete in under an hour, so hopefully ive made it as bullet proof as possible
ill post the pics when its made and get a flying video done some time next week

cheers

cool. I'm in too dudes!
right off to order the motors and stuff... 

Yay George!

Please PM me when the kits are ready and I will immediately place my order !
Thanks.
Hurry Up please!
George

Kit is nearlly ready,

A few pics showing the bulkhead cutouts, top front deck cooling holes, shown cut out in the photo or keep and cover over if not needed,
Bottom front deck showing access hole for s/c motor connectors, again if not needed leave in and cover over
Wing seating is as near perfect as you can get.

last pic there are 4 x 1mm holes, thease are c of g markings...45,50,55,60 to make life a little easier, there is another reason for this as later on the will be a small c of g jig which will be availible as an extra at a later date, it has been designed specificly to fit thease holes but can still be used on any plane.... it will be cnc cut and come on a sheet to be assembled, call me tight but i had a shock at the price of c of g jigs that are commercially availible

Im taking a look at a really boring finish on the first one, as the plane assembles easilly and neatlly im going to try a clear varnish finish, i think stu's and justins carbon kevlar type films cost about £30,00 to do a plane and about £20.00 plus for profilm, its an experiment to keep the cost down, a possible £60,00 saving on 2 planes, not to be sniffed at in todays financial climate, yeah a little boring but a few stickers and some couloured stripes, good enough for a race tool and most look black in the sky anyway, unless youre justin youll be able to see the rivots as it pass's

Hopefully i may have it done in time to fly sat

cheers

Noice Work Dude!
Most Excellent!

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Ooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 

Hy Crazy Frog
 
Good  woork 

Please PM me when the kits are ready and I will immediately place my order !
Thanks.
Hurry Up please!

Me  too
 
Best Regards
vata

Right im totally finished with it now, planes built instructions done, just waiting for the final ok from phil then its up for sale from Home
Ever break a wing or want a spare just order the wing kit, its exactlly the same one

I did the boring finish, total cost was £6 for a can of polyurethane satin varnish spray from B&Q and was enough for 3 coats on all of it.
its taken me 1 long day to complete and that included wrighting the instructions

Complete fuzz and wing weighed in at 1lb dry and a throw everthing on the scales showed 2lb 3 oz, 1 oz under the weight limit so a bigger reciever battery needed

Ive never been so sick of making the same plane over and over and the hours its taken to develop it,  but enjoyed the learning curve.
The c2k version will follow a couple of weeks later and the next on the list is the c of g jig and then the  Dadger Q500 424 and 428 based on the same construction as the wasp

A big thanks to Phil at Cloud models for his help in getting this off the ground and keeping

it a reasonable price         and keeping it British 
If Vata gets one then the e2k wasp is in 7 different countries

Hope you guys enjoy
 

Typical radio instalation, s/c can been seen sitting on its saddle to keep it out the way and near the cooling vents.

high density foam in front of the battery with some on the sides

When are the kits going to be available? 

it'd be good if you could bring a kit along tomorrow darren so everyone can have a quick look as such  . if not i can say the one i saw at the weekend was beautifully cut
nasa

Hy Crazy frog
 
"If Vata gets one then the e2k wasp is in 7 different countries"

Of course  y will

And  it  will  be  the First  ONE    in Portugal - that´s  for  sure

Best Regards
Vata

Cheers guys,

firefox the answer is now, allthough he hasnt got the web page covering it yet, just drop him an e mail, over the weekend phil will transfer my instructions into pdf format, im sure he could ship very earlly next week,

steve ive got a part kit, the modified version ive got built up to fly tomorrow and one of my home brew, both for maidens tomorrow

Great vata, let me know how you guys get on and if i get time for a holiday in the summer ill be sure to pop along for a flight

cheers

Crazy frog
 
OK
Bets Regards
vata

in stock now wasp Instructions can be seen as well

 

Just ordered mine  ::cc

Nice One Slam!
2 kits ordered for me!
yahoo

Hi
 
Good  news  fellows
 ::cc
 
Arrived  today  my   WASP  kit  from Cloud  Models
 

 

 
 
And  also  some  UK news
 
 
Isn't  the  TIMES  news-paper,   but  it  as  a  lot  of   English words to  read
 
 
 
 

 
It  arrived  in perfect  condition  and  well  package...

It´s  well cut and  a  good wing   also...
 
On 5th April  y  will take  it with me  to the  Event and  show to others pilots
 
Thanks  Cloud Models and Mr.Daren
Best  Regards
vata

Hi Vata, glad it gone to you in one piece, the newspaper should be usefull for your english 
sorry we couldnt do the instructions in portugease, after my last attempt at translations i didnt think it would have helped 

let us know how you get on with it and some pics when youve done it 

cheers

Ive got the first c2k wasp model from cloud models today, 99% of the build is the same as the e2k version.
Engine mount bolts and blind nuts are supplied, but Cloud have decided not to supply the engine mount or tank as everone has thiere own preference so the price will be kept the same as the e2k version of £39.99 plus P&P
The wing kit is the same for e2k and c2k (rg14) so interchangable if you have both planes.

Ive got the instructions modification to do, once thats done and were happy with it Cloud models will add it to thiere web site,  unfortuanatly ive got the kit too late in the day to get it flying for sunday, but well do a video back at the home field when its done

The kit will be supplied as the e2k version for 2 ailerons but i will add instructions for those that want to use one servo and torque rods

ill post some pics when done later in the club 2000 threads

cheers

Hy
 
Crazy  Frog
 
Well ..  after  a long time  there it is  my WASP E2K model





The  desings and mounting was  made  from a friend  mine (my self y´am not good  on that )
Thanks Gil



Y used  weels and  landing gear from an VIPER (now is dead )
Here y don´t have grass  to landings  just asfalt





Y haven´t correct the C.G. yet, waht are  the measure from leading edge?

My friend keep the instructions manual in his home

Now  y am waiting for  goods  and shining days to make the maiden flight
 
as  soon as  possibel y put an video  ok?

Thanks Crazy Frog
Best regards
vata

That looks lovely Mr Vata

Lovely job mate! 

Hi Vata, great job, love the design and she looks sweet with wheels, as duncan says like a mini Q500.

look forward to seeing a video

The instruction manual is downloadable as a pdf file at wasp

if you stick the battery as far as you can get forward youll find it as near perfect as possible on the c of g

Cheers    Darren

Hello  Mates
 
mr. vata
Just  vata

Crazy Frog and  others
The thanks are  to my friend GIL  he made the desing and covered.
The  under carridge is from an "dead"    VIPER500
Y put it in the same place as Q-500 models just in aligned with leading edge.
Y have to put back the 4s2200  30C  LIPO just  a  few space.
The weight complete is 1.180gr
With the 8x6 it gives to me 480w  :-\and 34amp more or less
Y allso put an peice of litleply just near the motor axis  to prevent damage the lipo trought perfuracion if that ocuurs then  the ply realeses  and dont let the lipo ´be perfurated.
Th CG now  is on the 3rd wole

sorry my englis is very badly
Thanks
Best regards
Vata

Hello Vasco, I'm glad you like. Thank you too left me buildit for you. by the way congratulations for the kit, good instructions and very complete. nice work

Thanks Gil, has Vasco flown it  yet!!!

On all kits we have a couple of modifications,
the leading edge is now replaced with a harder wood instead of balsa, helps with making the wing stiffer,  and the original cap wing tips are now replaced with a larger shaped balsa wing tip, I found it gave a smoother flight.

Hi  Frog
 
yes  y have it
Just 2 flights 
The nose  was  too heavy y have to trim it on elevator
the first landing was  no words
the second  was better  but  broked my propeller
the plane is a bit nervouss
It is all ready for another next flights
Y might be abel to take off the landing gears
As  soon as  possibel y have some videos y will post them
There  are more people here intresting on wasp model
Thanks
best regards
Vata

Hi all,

Alright my jasper/wasp (all part cut out the wasp kit) is now almost together and will be ready to glass it before the weekend I hope. Putting it together went fine but I'm facing a bit of challenge with the hinge for the wing.

I'm going to repeat myself but this plane is beautiful, having done the jasper out of the wasp part I think that if you count the amount of time taken in duplicating the wasp part it will almost be cheaper to get the whole kit instead of doing that myself. Even that said I'm glad to have done a jasper fuse because I'm still learning the building tricks

I was wondering if any of you might be able to post pix of how you made yours to be gap free hinge for the aileron. Even at £20 the wing I'll be gutted if I screw them up.

I have read through this article that explain how to do it.
http://www.nmpra.org/articles/DNskinhinges.htm

The other options I see are:
1) simply seller tape them after glassing 
2) use small plastic hinge (yeah using this technic I've made a mess before) bought from any HS

Many thanks

I have always used the covering as a hinge but that can be a bit fiddly and has a tendency to tighten up as you shrink the film whilst getting rid of the creases.

I think the best method would be to use diamond tape after covering / finishing. After all there is no oil to worry about getting under the tape.

This is how I intend to do all future models.

Hope this helps.

Stu

Well Stuart, that is where u are wrong, there will be oil contamination to worry about....from the Ic powered racer in the lead!!!!LOL

Considering I only had an evenings work to do last monday....I'm still busy finishing the wasp!!

Regards

Neil

In construction 


IMAG0234 by Laurent Muchacho, on Flickr

Well Stuart, that is where u are wrong, there will be oil contamination to worry about....from the Ic powered racer in the lead!!!!LOL

I wonder why I didn't think of that?

Hi all,

Alright my jasper/wasp (all part cut out the wasp kit) is now almost together and will be ready to glass it before the weekend I hope. Putting it together went fine but I'm facing a bit of challenge with the hinge for the wing.

I'm going to repeat myself but this plane is beautiful, having done the jasper out of the wasp part I think that if you count the amount of time taken in duplicating the wasp part it will almost be cheaper to get the whole kit instead of doing that myself. Even that said I'm glad to have done a jasper fuse because I'm still learning the building tricks

I was wondering if any of you might be able to post pix of how you made yours to be gap free hinge for the aileron. Even at £20 the wing I'll be gutted if I screw them up.

I have read through this article that explain how to do it.
http://www.nmpra.org/articles/DNskinhinges.htm

The other options I see are:
1) simply seller tape them after glassing 
2) use small plastic hinge (yeah using this technic I've made a mess before) bought from any HS

Many thanks

Hey mate

Have you considered a goop hinge? On my as yet unflown glass wing I used conventional hinges and am not 100% happy with them. Having now done some goop (or silicone) hinges on another project and finally learned how to do this type of hinging right  I think it is a great method and would work well on this kind of model.

Z

That's a brilliant idea Zim, I have not thought of silicon.
Funny that give me no excuse not to fix the silicon seal around the bath   

I know why it take so long to put shelf up now after being asked to do it for month. We man don't want to do it because it's boring diy 

If I don't ask I won't know :-)

Could Cloud Models produce a V-tail version of the wasp?

I never build a v-tail one and I like to start from something that work. For setting up of the v-tail Do you guy's program only elevator or elevator/rudder. The last one sound odd maybe but I thought that if I used the v-tail to combine elevator plus rudder and also use at least 1 aileron the model will almost have 4 channel back. This crazy idea coming from the fact that I really quickly started to fly 4 channel without learning the conventional way.

I saw that some of you have only 1 ailerons can someone explain a bit further the advantage of such setting. I guess that as we only turn left the right aileron sould be the one in place and this will make the plane more gentle on the aileron. 

Many thanks

Putting a V tail on the Wasp shouldn't be too difficult, although I would be tempted to increase the tail area by approx 10%.

The most important aspect is to get the incidence right and this could be easily achieved with the use of an incidence gauge.

An angle of 100 degrees and set up as an elevator only is about where the rest of the models are.

I have seen one aileron used on both sides of different models, I don't know too much about the theory but I do know that it is easier and quicker to build. I have flown with one aileron and not really noticed any difference until I try aerobatics and then the rolls become a bit barrelly.

Hope this helps.


Stu
 

Thanks Stu,

This few tips on the tail design they will become usefull soon has the balsa arrive. For the incidence of the tail will it be safe to start with 0 degree incidence on the v-tail?

Lucky enough I've just received an incidence gauge for my birthday :-)

Laurent