Topic: Fokker D.VIII 1/4 scale build

1 piece....keep it light & simple. Last thing you want is a heavy wing on a parasol model.......they ain't the best on the ground and a heavy 'top end' will just make it want to end up on it's roof................

Phil

hi phil......that's what i'd thought......the wing would detach on 4 screws.....like the FS.....just dwg up the sub wing and axle box.....very pleased with my struts...they have a 1.2mm section...so are strong enough on there own without internals......the ends are crushed and bolted to the sub wing with M3 cap heads.....2 fixings on each strut...should be strong enough.....for my heavy landings!.... ......the top end will have piano wire hysoled in place......bent at the correct angle and then faired in with a taped section.....again like the full size......

thanks Ian.....

yep...first WW1 airframe that i've done to date and really enjoying it....

missus just rang and said my GTM struts have arrived.... ::cc ::cc ::cc...now i can really get stuck in......first will be to work on the sub wing and center wing section.....still in 2 minds weather to make 2 separate outer wing panels or one complete wing....any ideas chaps?

cheers

dave

some pictures of camel fodder's quarterscaler.... it rigged extremely quickly.... and flew very well too, ask Pylon........

interesting stuey......

which kit/plan was that one?.......see the subwing struts...they look llike the wider of the 2 dwgs?

dave

interesting stuey......

which kit/plan was that one?.......see the subwing struts...they look llike the wider of the 2 dwgs?

dave

pm richard scarborough he will know, i thought it was the balsa usa one..

looking at the pictures the d8 is sooooooooo gorgeous.... one day.

I have never sued the square section in  that way on a leading edge after reading Gordon Whitehead saying in the event of a knock the  square can act as a wedge splitting down the length of the ribs.  Kinda makes sense I suppose 

Looks a very sturdy job anyway 

Camel Fodders DVIII was from the Arizona plan, which I believe is a David Johnson plan (probably wrong though ) It flew very well. One thing about the axle and sub wing though. Make sure you include a way to stop the axle sliding from side to side since a wheel rubbing on the side of the axle wing makes a very good differential brake!! Love the proskin panel, how thick is that? On the 1/3 scale Reeves wheels, the covers can easily be 'texed once the cover is in place with some heat on the tex and a good stretch. Its looking grand mate. What scheme are you doing?

Ian.

Interesting it has black tyres, I thought they were all grey 

hi Ian,

what do you mean Ian about sliding......?

if the axle is in a box it can't slide side to side?.....

there are collets that lock the axle to the box (with about 1mm clearance) so it can't slide across the box.....

how do you tie the bungee?........any images that show this would be good

the pro-skin panel is the thicker one that mick sells......i would think it's about .3mm thick?

it is the dave johnson plan Ian.....

hopefully it will look like this..........




Jasta 6 august 1918......it's the only one i've found that is painted...not printed fabric

Hi Dave,

The axle on me D6 has a hole drilled in the centre and a small bolt passed through the box trapping the axle in the middle and a nylok nut on the outside. The Axle flexes from this point and cant slide side to side creating friction and trouble!

My bungee ends are crimped with a small piece of brass tube.

HTH

Mat

PS I haven't forgotton the prop piccy, I'm just waiting to get mobile again 

Interesting it has black tyres, I thought they were all grey 

     On the original A/C they were.... This is a modern build tho why they dont go the last few yards is a mystery. On a model of the scale we build there really is no excuse, Thousands of photoes of the time illustrate this clearly, but hey ho people have the mindset that all tyres are black, as indeed they are today, we arnt building A/C of today.I dont want to make this subject a crusade otherwise I will be come polaroid, sorry paranoid I am just replying to a post........my regards Ken

hi Ken,

yep...i have no problem with them being grey....they should be....wonder if i can paint MR tyres grey?.......paint would crack.........what about a water baesd paint?......could work...i'll try some and see.....i would need grey for my comp at warboy's......

cheers

dave

Dave,

Ask Mudders how he did his


Mark.

Dave, light grey is good, its the natural colour of the rubber, they didn't start adding black colour to them till after the war.

What make is that paint as I need some for my Albs tires?

Steve

hi steve

i'll try some first...and see what happens...being ater based it will come off....but does that really matter?.......i can get you some if you want....i'll let everyone know the out come...next week

dave

Heres my effort, let me know if I can help.



Mud

hi steve

i'll try some first...and see what happens...being ater based it will come off....but does that really matter?.......i can get you some if you want....i'll let everyone know the out come...next week

dave

  thanks

Steve

they look great Mat.......did you make up the covers yourself?.....

the MR ones are ok but wrong for a german aircraft...the spokes are different so i've been told......see above

I believe there were less spokes on the german aircraft than the british. The german wheels are almost flat on the inboard side, and coned on the outer as far as I can gather. It makes getting commercial ones difficult, all I've seen is proper spoked offerings from AZM, but they aint cheap! I've made do with BUSA wheels, one side can be shaved a little and the outer can be built up with fake spokes etc.

I made the covers from solatex, dead easy, all in me thread 

Mat

Hi Dave
Looking good - is it the museum scheme you are modelling?

Graham

hi graham,

still not 100% sure...i like one of the other schemes from jasta 6.......so really using the museum aircraft as a guide....

off to the paint shop today and see if i can get some tyre paint

dave

few things to share tonight....my experiment with the modified MR wheels i think has worked...the solatext is only rough at the moment...this will re-done proper.....

the paint i got today also seems to have worked...they need 2 coats....

strut ends getting there......just put some primer on tonight to get a look at the blending.....

also had an e-mail from arizonia models regarding there loz pattern solatex...looks pretty good to me....

Lookin very nice, love the spokeys 
It will be interesting to see the printed tex up close, it looks pretty good 
Make sure you get the pattern on in the correct orientation, unlike the D7 

oh dear......

Sorry, just thinkin for the comp 

thnaks matt......might need a second view on the orientation before i go a head and order any...it looks pretty good blown up...maybe i'll do a detail shot...the pictures are 2 MB so i can with distorting the image to much......well that was quick!



nice thing about this fabric is it's iron on....... ::cc

this looks correct for the D.VIII......

Sorry Dave, I was getting at the orientation of the pattern on the D7. The pattern on the ailerons, and tail feathers if applicable run spanwise, the fus and wing run the way shown on the D7 piccy. Also there should no rib tape on the ailerons and elevators.
HTH
Mat

well never knew that Mat..well i do now......will remember that for the next one....

cheers

For those other than Dave who already knows, I've got some 4 colour lozenge coming from AMA with the 1st batch of the 1/3 scale kits....as soon as it's here, I'll take some decent pics and post my thoughts in a new thread..........

Phil

interesting reading the fokker D VIII windsock data file......would the sub wing be also known as the axle areofoil fairing?......as they mention this would have been dark olive green dope like on early DVII's and DRI's......so no lozenge pattern?...even looking at the photos it's hard  to tell.......

yet the main front cover picture has the lozenge pattern on the sub wing?.....

dave

interesting reading the fokker D VIII windsock data file......would the sub wing be also known as the axle areofoil fairing?......as they mention this would have been dark olive green dope like on early DVII's and DRI's......so no lozenge pattern?...even looking at the photos it's hard  to tell.......

yet the main front cover picture has the lozenge pattern on the sub wing?.....

dave

Ya need to be a bit carefull with paintings, although I must say the windsock jobys are normally quite good IMVLE. If you need paints, mine are WBC from Phil, color chip matched so ya don't get alot closer 

Dave, I'm pretty certain the axle sub wing was just painted green.

How did the tyre paint go, looks good in the pics?

Steve

thanks chaps....

steve...i think it's ok....i'll give it another coat tonight and see the results....and let you know.....the paint was £1.80....

so the sub wing will be green.....not lozenge.....

Mat......thanks.....don't know yet weather i'll be using humbrol paints......haven't used WBC......although got some satin clear proofer which i'll spray over enamel and see what happens

cheers

dave

See, the beauty of WW1 stuff is that there was a war on, and they weren't immaculate, so I brush applied all my paintwork, a la full size, and the finish is PDG IMHO. I only used half of the smallest tin available, it covers very well, and it's the correct color to boot  ::cc Try it, you won't go back 

i know......but a fellow flyer...won't name him tried it and came un-stuck......so that's put me off......but saying that.....there's not much weathering on this.......panels etc to tart up, so i might give it a try........all i would need is brown/black and white.....the cowl will be fun with those triangular sections on......i guess must move with the times.....

anyone help...on this one...

the full sheet size of printed lozenge pattern was 4' 3" 1/4 width according to windsock data file........any others people know about?

printed out at 1/4 scale......giving a sheet size of 352mm seems alittle on the large size.......

dave

I've got the same dimensions in the D6 book Dave, when you say 'a bit large' how do you mean?

the pattern looks big drawn up at 1/4 scale........that FS painted version in the US looks completely wrong....the arizona one above looks closer.....maybe it's ok.....

the iron on lozenge from arizona costs with postage about £130.......

done some tests last night on solatex.....with paint...doing things to it...as i do.....i can get a good faded fabric look.....going out this morning to get my paints matched....worth a go before spending that kind of money...

Dave, I'll take a look at what i have on fabric sizes and get back to you

Steve

Hi Dave, I have some accurate laser cut card templates for the Lozenge at 1/4. They came from GTM if my brain is telling the truth Any use?

Ian.