Topic: Building a BE2c

Hi
Sorry I have not put any pics on here but when the forum crashed I couldn't get back on and then one thing and another.

Just to remind you Keith is building this and might be doing it as a kit or plans.

He picked a BE2c as its a two or one seater that someone on here wanted.

The plans are now done and he has started the first one to check it all out.

Hes looking for a good Z62 if anyone has one for sale.

I have also put some pics of the last plane he built a Kitty Hawk thats not quite finished, so you can see the quality of his work.

eeeeeeeeeeeeek!  its only got one wing and no strings 

  chris

eeeeeeeeeeeeek!  its only got one wing and no strings 

  chris

Luke 4:5-8

    4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the monoplanes of the world in a moment of time.

    4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

    4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship the monoplane, all shall be thine.

    4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the biplane, and him only shalt thou serve.

Fine choice, either that or an RE8 (Harry Tate) Both hyper stable A/C.there is on record of a BE2c flying for over 30 miles into German territory with a dead crew on board after being attacked crossing German lines being lost in cloud. It then re appeared flying sedatley West and was then re engaged by 7 plus fighters led by Udet who all had a go at it in turn, Still it flew on and the German pilots felt uneasy as it was seen that the crew were dead and the rear of the A/C was streaked in blood.It again flew into cloud and was lost to view, When found it had made a perfect landing in a field. Juust one of the many strange stories to come out of that conflict of so many years ago.The normally ebulant Udet was profoundly affected by this ephisode for some time. Incidently no pilot came forward to claim the kill. regards Ken ;copper;

Luke 4:5-8

    4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the monoplanes of the world in a moment of time.

    4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

    4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship the monoplane, all shall be thine.

    4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the biplane, and him only shalt thou serve.

That's great! But I'd advise not standing anywhere near norfolkngood during a thunderstorm. 

It's ok, there is no god.  I'm a bad Buddhist, have been for 5 years  :cig <--- see, told ya I was bad, I smoke 

What a great choice of prototype, especially with the Be12 option. I am designing a Be2e at 1/3 which had single seat versions called the Be12a and b. Purely since I love the fragile looks with the A frame on the top outer panels and unequal span wings. Looking forward to the progress with your machine with great interest, keep it coming!!

Ian.

Keiths been busy heres a few more pics. We are still looking for an engine if anyone has one for sale

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110369608410

Not cheap but may be of interest

Simon

[ebay]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RFC--WW1--ORIGINAL--MANUAL--B.E-12-a--Biplane-Manual_W0QQitemZ110369608410QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090328?IMSfp=TL090328121001r12471[/ebay]

Not cheap but may be of interest

Simon

it won't work for me  Is ya link right   

Try this one.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110369608410

Thanks for that. The wings on the 12 are totally different and were use on the RE8, but was worth a look Ta.

What weight are the others 1/3 scale planes as a matter of interest.

Pete

My pup is 32lbs on a geared 38.

Simon

Don't ask 

My d.vii 38lbs a floater and Zenoah 62 geared Ken ;copper;

My Pup is 28lb with a geared Z38

My Camel will be around 31lb with a geared Z38

I would imagine the Be2 will be much more though since there is much more of it. Somewhere in the region of 45lb would be good. Power will be a geared Z62

Ian.

How do you find time to do all this Ian. Its takes all my spare time just to repair my pup never mind building something else 

Simon

How do you find time to do all this Ian. Its takes all my spare time just to repair my pup never mind building something else 

Simon

'My' Be2e is still at the design stage, I'll be doing the design and the prototype, after that who knows. Thats why I have a great interest in this model, it'll inspire me for mine

What sort of weight and power are you aiming for Pete?

Ian.

HI
As light as pos but its growing daily. 35 would be good but I think 45 is more likely. Will a Z62 be enough? and where's the cheapest place to get one?

Keith built the undercarriage today and ordered a pile of wood ::cc

Thanks for the interest.
Pete

Woods here and he's built the tail plane pics soon.

Stuck on finding suitable wheels. We need 8" vintage wheels. Anyone know where we can find them please?

Pete

Pete, you could try pram wheels, as Mick Reeves only go up to 7", have a look down the local tip, if young Ken doesn't beat you to it 

Or you could always make your own out of Ply disks with heater hose tyres

Steve

Reeves has 8" wheels on his site, 10" too

Looking forward to the pics, Ian.

Thanks Ian, thought they only went up to 7"

Steve

more pics

Hi
Need some advice on wings please. Shall we build the wing spars

Option one made out of solid balsa

 Option Two central web with top and bottom capping

 Option Three three laminations of balsa, pine or spruce and balsa again

What do you think?

Wings will be wire braced
Ta

Pete
         

I would use Cyparis, two spars and balsa spar webbing with the balsa grain vertical

Steve

so option two. Anyone else?

Its getting there.

OK now need a motor to move on. The Zenoah 62 has been recommended. We are looking to use a 36" prop to make it look scale. Where can we get a reduction set up from? Are they made for the Zenoah engine? Is this pos?

PS Help!

OK now need a motor to move on. The Zenoah 62 has been recommended. We are looking to use a 36" prop to make it look scale. Where can we get a reduction set up from? Are they made for the Zenoah engine? Is this pos?

PS Help!

provostguard has one on his Z62 equipped D7... Sure he'll be along soon.

OK now need a motor to move on. The Zenoah 62 has been recommended. We are looking to use a 36" prop to make it look scale. Where can we get a reduction set up from? Are they made for the Zenoah engine? Is this pos?

PS Help!

The Zen62 reduction gear is from Mick Reeves, made specifically for the Zen.



Link HERE about halfway down the page

As Stuey says there is one in Kens Fokker and it runs very well.

Steve

Hi Steve,

The Torquemaster is a great unit which fits easily due to the very small dimensions 
Got one in my 1/3 Reeves Camel and it runs good 
Minus to my opinion is the smaller prop 30x12-14"

If you're looking for a bigger prop than maybe the Schlundt drive from Germany is something for you
It turns a 34x20" prop (reduction 2,5:1)
It can be side,- or upright mounted, whatever fits your fuse best 

ShopXS

Look at Getriebe (=reduction) and Getriebe fur ZG62
Greetz, Ralf

Thanks for the replies, you all have such a great knowledge for this, but just before we send our hard earn t, there isn't anything with a bit more power out there that we can fit a reduction to is there?

Not really unless you are prepared for a lot more expense, beside that you have as much power with this set up as you are ever likely to need. And it has proven reliability which counts for everything. regards Ken ;copper;

Thanks 

The Schlundt drive from Germany is something I'm probably going to try on the next one, I have heard no feedback for it yet though.

OK, here is some feedback   

YouTube - Big scale Fly Baby Schlundt RC getriebe gear ZG 62

Here a show-flight of mr. Schlund's own Fly Baby (3,8m, 18kg) in Hollands very strong wind 

YouTube - Gear 2,5:1 with ZG62 from Modellbau Schlundt

The drive costs twice the Reeves Torquemaster but it is perfectly engineered with the best materials
(lasts a lifetime)

Ralf

MMMmmmmm, sounds pretty good too, unless thats just the quality of the vid.
Good job I got time to save up

They do look like the business but they are dearer than the motor  and it would mean we could have a bigger prop   Have to think on this.

We could always make one 2.5:1 !

more pics

Stop messing around with that aeroplane and cut your grass.......