Topic: F5D Newbie

Well I've thought about it long enough and if Oli manages to bring the Demon back from Germany in one piece, I'll have my first f5d model. I'll get some practise over the winter and although I doubt I'll be able to do all the rounds, but I'll certainly give it a go at a few of them.

No idea on set up yet, I'll use whatever Paul and Justin tell me to  

Duncan

Well I've thought about it long enough and if Oli manages to bring the Demon back from Germany in one piece, I'll have my first f5d model. I'll get some practise over the winter and although I doubt I'll be able to do all the rounds, but I'll certainly give it a go at a few of them.

No idea on set up yet, I'll use whatever Paul and Justin tell me to  

Duncan

Great news to hear we have another racer on the way.

One popular motor option seems to be borrow my Mega, its done more rounds in either Ben, Joe or Ollis model than it has mine 

The Mega or Neu motors I use are the cheapest way into F5D as I am still not convinced that splashing out on a hacker or Lenner is necessary which is why I don’t have either in my motor case at all.

I use the;

Neu 1112/1.5Y
Mega 16/25/2 F5D special (its Green)

Both are under £100. I would say the Neu is more flexible so I would recommend it over the Mega as at full race pace its swings a 4.7 x 4.7 so you can go right down to a 4.1 prop to slow it down in the early days and slowly prop up as you skills improve.

Look forward to racing you next year.

Rob

Excellent news slam. Looks like a full season of F5d for me too.

I think your find just borrow all my gear works ??  :colm:

Its flown with more pilots and more rounds than Robs, so I win ! 

More talk J perhaps we should book a limo to pick you up in the morning to make sure you turn up ? 

Make sure you wear gloves, otherwise you may get burnt 

Fingers crossed for the maiden dude! Scary little things!!

Happy days, much to everyone's surprise Oli didn't stuff a model in Germany, so this week i'll get my hands on my very first F5D model 

This is a good week for new toys

Hi Duncan, yes we are all surprised it’s still in one bit and it was not for the want of trying. Ollie got very very close at times as he was flying against the hot favoured next world champ all weekend and his task was not get lapped which he managed most of the time. 

A very good achievement as he was using a £70 motor he borrowed off me.

What are you planning to run in your new Demon?

Rob

I'm not sure yet Rob. Paul is lending me a Mega to start with, which I'll run on 4S 2200's so i can get used to to flying it.

I'll speak to Paul when he comes over tomorrow about getting hold of some race packs. He is also going to give me the info on where to buy props, spinner, limiter etc. As soon as it's together Justin and me are going to go and have a test session 

I have used the 1112/1.5y all year in my Demon and it is only now just starting to grumble as the bearings are getting a bit worn. The Mega 16/25/2 is also good motor which i have been lending to Joe and Ollie but will have a shorter life as it is smaller and gets hotter but both at low 60's time motors.

Paul should be able to source both for you.

I look forward to seeing you on the F5D League next year.

I better go and finish the Comp report for Germany now.

Rob

I hope that prop he has left you with is a 4.1 x 4.1 or for Christmas you will need a load of new underwear 

At the Weekend he used a 4.7 x 4.7 cam on the front of the motor and it was balistic 

it's an apc prop i think, are the cam ones black? it will be plenty fast enough to start with 

The APC come in bigger than 4.1 as well.

Seriously get a load of 4.1 x 4.1 and the 4.5 x 4.1 apc props to start with. it will still be over 150mph but a lot kinder on your nerves.

That is quite a serious set up for a first time user and Ben Jones himself used to use a 4.5 x 4.1 at times. 

I would love to be there to watch your face as that thing goes off like a bat out of hell 

Hmmmmm. That motor looks very familiar. 

3 flights! 

3 flights!  

Is this the start of a sweep stake in which case I will go First Race meeting when the red mist come over and the Testosterone kicks In 

I think Ali was suggesting, that after 3 flights you will be totally dominant and untouchable?

Or perhaps, you're right it was a generous guess at how long the model lasts

or turn the motor round 180 degrees?

lol nah j, I know him better than that  

how the hell are you mean't to fit everything in the model?? LoL it's kin tight for room. The wires coming out of the motor do so at the bottom of the fuz, so it makes sense that the esc sits on the bottom with the 2S lipo on top, is that right?  

Looking from the back to the front the ESC sits on its side to the left. The 3S part fits on its side to the right under the nose.

The 2s sits flat on the bottom under the wing and all of a sudden you have loads of room.

I think that one has the Ply plate mounted Servo so the reciver and board part of the limiter sits on the other side to the servo and the Reciver pack and shunt sit on the 2S pack.


Hope that is clear.

Rob

I must admit I had the esc flat on the floor with the 2s pack sat on top of it. The 3s pack sat on the floor in the middle of the fus with the limiter sat on top of that.

Putting the 3s pack to the front just made mine very nose heavy and required more ballast at the back.

However, having said that, the models are 100 grams or so underweight when all the equipment is in so you'll be carrying extra lead anyway.

Bottom line Dunc is I don't think it really matters - it's a tight squeeze whichever way you do it.

The Demon you have Duncan was put together by Mark V at Vanderbuilt Models and the set up has kinda evolved over a period of time as he is my caller.

Ben is correct you will need to add lead and probelly about 100g to get to race weight however to start with there is not point carrying extra ballast to increase landing speeds etc so run as light as you can.

The model was set up for a Mega motor and I cannot remember what directions the holes go at the front so you may not be able to set it up the way that gives you the most space however, if you can get the esc in sidewards and put the 3s up the nose you will need less lead on the motor to balance it. It also gives you good clearance all around the ESC to keep it cool. If you have to mount the esc to or bottom (top is better) it is a tight squeeze to get the wing in and not ideal so then you are better running the 2s at the front as Ben said. Paul said 2 at the front as he used Ben's model at the weekend and thought yours was the same. (I say Ben's model but i am confused who owns what so i think its all just communal)

With the 2s at the back you then have loads of room for wires etc. I use a strip of Velcro on the back pack to stop it moving and the same on the top for the receiver pack. No fixing is necessary at the front as it all holds itself in.

Cof G is around 47mm from the front.

Good luck with the maiden, this weekend?

Cheers for the info. The model already has a fair bit of strip lead in as Oli has been racing it, obviously i'll have to check when it comes to racing as the hacker will weigh different to the Mega that was in it.

It was a pita to get the motor in place with the spacer that needed to go on the back of the bulkhead first, fiddly little bleeder  I should be able to run the esc on the side with the motor how it is at the minute. i'll have a look tonight. Hopefully the Rx will arrive today and then it will be ready for it's first crash flight 

I'm not sure if I'm flying this weekend, but if i am, I'll take it with me

Spacer?? i am not sure what that is. I have not seen any spacers used before, you not putting in the Hacker hole guide in by mistake are you? I will ask Paul as what that is we are probelly chatting again later.

I would take all the lead out and start again as the Hacker is a lot heavier than the Mega probelly by 40g. If you try a straight swap over it will be very front heavy. I only ran with about 10g of lead taped to the motor back in the days when i could afford a Hacker :-(

Rob

ANy chance of piccy rob?

my f5d cherry has finally been popped 

it needed a load of up trim, so i'm going to swao the 3s and 2s packs around to see if moving the c of g back a little will sort it.

I really enjoyed flying it, it doesn't feel as quick when your on the sticks, which was a relief lol.

one thing i did notice after landing, is the motor feels stiff when it's hot, something i've not experienced before.

roll on next season 

Duncan

Glad things went well. Not flown my Viper since Germany and getting itchy thumbs as I am missing it.

Couple of point that might help.

1.   Up trim seems to be a thing that crops up on Demons from time to time and I have it on mine which could be the tail is not quite on true. They are a complete nightmare to glue on so that might be the reason however it has never slowed me down. It could be C of G and you will find that a nose heavy model will lift its nose at speed and need down trim and tail heavy will tuck and need up trim. I mess about with the trim till I get it to fly knife edge dead straight as well as level. Once you have that happening its trimmed right and don’t worry about were the elevator is 
2.   Hot motor being stiff is a worry. If it is not connected to the battery (that makes it stiffer than not connected) then something is wrong with a bearing and have it checked professionally. I assume you are using a Hacker and I am guessing it is the one Paul used in Germany which was fine out there as I was checking his kit over from time to time and it was not stiffer after a flight than before.
Cheers

Rob

I went out yesterday with a multiplex funjet setup in my Nemesis. What a superb sport model!

Well it's taken 10 months, but it looks like tomorrow will be my first F5D comp. I couldn't make practice today, so I'll be trimming the model out in the morning, hopefully not in the first race lol

Duncan

Go get some!!

Well it's taken 10 months, but it looks like tomorrow will be my first F5D comp. I couldn't make practice today, so I'll be trimming the model out in the morning, hopefully not in the first race lol

Duncan

Im scared,

So you had not trimmed the model.
Not made the Practice Day

And you won the event!


Impressive start. I guess the Nationals Title is your next goal?

Rob AR

Tell us more Dunc!
Sounds like a good start dude!

Z

Cheers Both 

I doubt it somehow Rob, i'll put it down to luck this time lol. To be honest there were 3 guys faster than me, Ali, Ollie and Darron. If Ollie had done more than 3 rounds without cutting then he would of won, if Ali hadn't had his motor destoy itself after throwing a blade, than he would of won. Darron also struggled to get clean rounds, so it was really down to who cut least.

My first round was the trimming flight and was horrid, it needed pretty much full down to get it anywhere near level flight and i was all over the place trying to sort it out. I knew it looked bad when Paul asked what mode i was flying on  . I ended up cutting the motor to trim and then trying again, it took 3 attempts of that to get it flyable. Once trimmed the last 3 laps felt really good although i ended up with a 105.**

The second race was much better, flying a half decent course, club 2000 definitely helped i think and i ended up with a low 74. Paul got me to reduce the throws by 20% on the ailerons and 10% on the elevator as it was a bit sensitive.

The third was great and would of been a mid 67 apart from a cut at number 1, which gave me a mid 74. The forth race was 82, again including a cut, but this time at number 3, when after a mistake i got totally disorientated, focusing on the model too much and gave those in the pits a good look at the underside of my model, it was a horrible feeling, i even felt a bit dizzy and it took a few laps to get back into a rythum.

Race 5 felt good, this time having programmed a bit of expo in on the advice of Ali. I couldn't feel much difference, but it gave my third 74 of the day, so it certainly didn't do any harm.

Race 6 and Ali's motor had already let go, putting him out of what would of been an easy win, with ollie and darron out of the running due to a few 200's. I got to the course just wanting to get a time. Ben who was the starter, told me that i had already won, which turned out to be a good job as i cut twice pulling too hard on number 2 & 3 halfway through the race and pulled out, giving me my first 200 of the day.

It's hard to get over how helpful everyone was, it made a good experience, great. Paul must of walked miles calling for both Ali and me. Barrie, Paul and Geb all spent time helping Ali sort out this F3D, which had running problems, but it all paid off when it ran well ifor the last round giving him a 65.

thanks again

Duncan

Club 2000 pilots  - whoo hooo!

Nice one Dunc...

Z

Cheers Both 

I doubt it somehow Rob, i'll put it down to luck this time lol. To be honest there were 3 guys faster than me, Ali, Ollie and Darron. If Ollie had done more than 3 rounds without cutting then he would of won, if Ali hadn't had his motor destoy itself after throwing a blade, than he would of won. Darron also struggled to get clean rounds, so it was really down to who cut least.

Duncan

Dont put yourself down. Ali I hear, was not using a Limiter (although if I had my way none of us would  ) which makes it 50% easier. The other 2 were trying to fly faster than their skills allowed and cut as a result!!!

You and John H that came second did a good job of ballancing speed to your skills which is what F5D is all about.

Well done.

Rob

I don't think the limiter would of made much difference to Ali's times Rob. He was taking 1000mah out of his lipos in a race and i was taking out 900mah, wether the extra 100mah would of made it hit the limiter i don't now, but watching the course Ali flew i doubt it would of.

cheers

Duncan

Good stuff  I'm really going to have to plan my weekends better next year, and get my Jibe (and me) over to F5d race!

Andy

Do it Andy ! They really are a friendly bunch of guys, who love racing. Both Ali and i seemed to of placed orders for a second model by the time we left the meeting, it's a such a buzz !!

Duncan,

you`d get a bigger buzz flying a noisy, smelly, oily one............

well done mate and also to JH who bettered his previous best on all six flights yesterday.

DC

Cheers Dave, the only prolem is that i couldn't afford the glow plugs !! 

I was chatting to John throughout the day and felt a bit guilty taking, what would of been his first win away from him, although my competitive nature didn't allow me to feel guilty for long lol

Duncan

I'm all set for having a race with it, I'm used to flying the model quickly (well, I think it's quick anyway!).  I was doing my best to make it over to the nationals, but the wife has other ideas.  Apparently it is something to do with our first ild being due about 3 days afterwards or something........


Andy

Duncan,

while I remember, PM me your email address and I`ll update the list so you get the race meeting reminders to the correct address...........don`t want you to get away now we have you on the hook...

DC

Andy that's no excuse. Last year we camped in a tent for 4 days, onyl 4 days after a false alarm and 3 weeks before Iasbelle was finally born 

Dave, will send it across now

cheers

Duncan

well done mate and also to JH who bettered his previous best on all six flights yesterday.

DC

Alot of that was down to the coach - a big thanks to DC  

I have no problems about you winning Duncan, you flew really well and deserved it - anyway, I turn up for the buzz of racing and that feeling that I have right now - the satisfaction of personal achievement and progression  

Seems the new lot will be in front of the established F5D racers soon

John makes progress every time with the course flying I do not think he has been out of the top 3 when he has made a meeting .

Chris Martindale also beat the top 2  this weekend in his first full F5D meeting

I was assured that Dunc would crash but he surprised all of us with his flying and iam glad it wasn;t me that was giving him a lift home but well done Dunc .

Limiter or no limiter the flying I watched would of pulled your pants down Rob . Will get a limiter in it for next time then there's no excuses from the experianced corner 


Race meetings are open for any one to come have a go electric / glow just let us know in advance what you are brining.

We wont mention F3D as I would of been close to  getting beaten by the new boy { with my motor } good job I fitted the tank 

Funnily enough, you aren't the first person that's said they were told i would end up crashing yesterday, cheers Al ! 

Yep on that last F3D round it was honking around the course. It's not going to take much to be giving Ben a run for his money, or you and Barrie of course Paul lol