Topic: H9 81" P47 Refurb

Charlie raised the bar, but only high enough to get it onto the lathe, and then machined lumps from it! 

Somebody shoot him fer chissakes
John

Where did you get the pilot?  I've searched everywhere for that one for my H9 P51.  I settled for the BBI "Donald Moore" cos he was all I could find on a certain auction site!

Have you decided on a cockpit yet?  I went with the dBalsa one for mine but I really wish I hadn't, there's more bits in it than the plane itself!

Congratulations on a cracking build!

Hello Q,

Nice cockpit, I hope I can do something nearly as good as that, I've not done one before, and I think it's 'not my thing' but I'll give it a go. I already got a top flite moulded effort, it seems to fit the opening quite well, but the seat is to small for the pilots bum 

I got my pilot from a certain auction site as well, search for 'William Bowman' he crops up from time to time.
Mud

Here he is now, same guy I bought mine from...

DID WW11 US Air Force William Bowman Box set Dragon bbi on eBay (end time  30-Nov-09 16:12:52 GMT)

He is B17 crew really, but with his parachute on you can't see the nose art painted on the back of his jacket. He also comes with a rather nice 50cal. I thought about buying 6 of them just to put in a 1/6th B17 
Mud

Reference pilots chaps.

Why not give RGN a shout.

His good lady makes absoloutly cracking pilots to order, and hey don't cost the earth.

Charlie C

 

this is where you get them all

Action Man and friends at Modellers Loft

this is where you get them all

Action Man and friends at Modellers Loft

No willy Bowman though  He has not been in production for a year or two, and BBI are going all civil war. I rang Modellers loft and asked for Willy Bowman, the response was 'computer says no' 'COUGH'.

I did my research on the web, and then searched ebay. You need to be quite specific with search words though.

Drew Peacock (Mr)

I have had my mouse over the buy button for the very same auction for my YT Mustang.  I loose all feeling in my finger every time I try and press the button for some reaason

I have been hunting for one ever since the Nats and these are the first to come available in that time.  I might manage it soon I suppose.   Cough!

hehe

JoLLy

Well the wings are now riveted and the raised panels stuck on, I think I'm gonna be seeing rivets in my sleep 

Next up, finish glassing the ailerons and flaps (I can't put it off any longer  ) prime and rivet and fit them.
Then start work on the cockpit and cowl.

I;m happy to not do any more riviting for a while now. How Phil stuck that 1/4 scale seafury is beyond me   

Mick Sterbs (Mr)

How Phil stuck that 1/4 scale seafury is beyond me   

If ewe read his build thread mudders you will know he used Hysol..... 

Here is a shot of the wing surfaces.





And here is a shiny new cowl, about to get a good sanding to matt it down and give a key for some primer.



Onwards 

How Phil stuck that 1/4 scale seafury is beyond me   

I didn't.....Stephen did most of it 

But how I stuck at a 30% Skyraider is REALLY beyond me 

Nice one Mat.     Looking good so far. I would have given up ages ago. 

Simon

Tis very looking good Baron Von Muddenflappen.

Fancy riveting a Mustang 

CC

That'll be the cowl ready for top coat 





Mudders 

Something crossed my mind earlier...

Did these pilots sit on their parachute? Cos if they did my pilot is gonna need a hole cut in the top of the canopy 

Oh dear Mudders.  Time to cut a dome into the top of your canopy 

Joke mudders. . . .

No really it's a joke 

But they did sit on the silk from my reference info.

And another one . . .

Ta mate,

As I feared, looks like I better lower his seat, or smoke and mirrors it.

 I've just taken all the pilots clothes off, it feels a little wrong but, he needs an operation, hardcore liposuction, dremel style. He currently weight 7 1/2 Ozs, we'll see what I can get him down to 

Major Sir Gerry Pending

It is one of the more worrying aspects of the hobby.

But someone has to do it 

hehe

Major Sir Gerry Pending

...must be getting old, took me an age to work that one out...  

Your u/c legs look the pooch's pendants......

Something crossed my mind earlier...

Did these pilots sit on their parachute? Cos if they did my pilot is gonna need a hole cut in the top of the canopy 

Depends which type of parachute pack they wore.......AN6510 seat pack, or the B-8 back pack   (I'll get my anorak!!)

Didn't notice you had taken it off Phil 

HI EVERYBODY 

Here is is pre op at 7 1/2 Ozs..



Thats cured his small water retention problem, now at 6ozs





I might be able to 'do a little more' later 

Looks like he is doing a small stock take in that last picture mudders 

Poor fella has had a close shave!

hehe

Looks like he is doing a small stock take in that last picture mudders 

Poor fella has had a close shave!

hehe

Lets just say his baby making days are over 

Anyway, I have knocked up a cockpit tub, it's maximum depth the fus structure will allow, now I have to paint and assemble it.



I have a mixture of humbrol enamels, Acryilic rattle cans and a drop of WBC. Should be fun 

Well, irt looks like he's gonna lose his parachute, I could hang it over the back of the seat  .

The cockpit has had a coat of sanding sealer and a rub down, the instrument panel is painted flat black and all other parts (including the tub) have had a coat of primer and a coat of olive drab.

Quite a productive weekend really 

Onwards tomorrow 

Cockpit has had a lick of paint, still some touching up to do ( I'm really Carp at this amall stuff) but not too bad so far. The yolk is drying in the shed, not much to see there.





Mud

Just had to drill the one hole in my Pilot, but it was a good'n. It went through the seat and into the crack of eez 4r$£ so I could fix him in with a 3/4" cheese-head, funnily enough, he's never looked quite comfortable flying my YT Thunderbolt.

Matt....Re the pilot

Wouldn't it have been better to remove the body, and keep the head/hands and boots. Then stuff the clothing with cotton to a body shape and re- attach the "bits" ? Its got to save a ton of weight surely?

I haven't tried it myself, (yet) but I do have a pilot awaiting such treatment when I get his spitfire done.

Mat, i agree on the body, you could use foam with a bit of soft wire through the middle so you can still pose him.

And are you going to do a bit of 'dry brushing' on the cockpit to bring out the detail?

Steve

Was it really worth the effort lightening the pilot? My first scratch build 81 in P-47 was 18 pounds, a friend had a Yellow Aircraft one at 27 pounds, and a guy in the US had one at 36 pounds!! All flew well, although the heavier one landed a bit faster. Will saving 1 1/12 oz really make a difference to the flying?

On models this size, you don't need to be paranoid about weight like a small model, and warbirds often fly better with more weight, otherwise they get blown about in the slightest breeze rather than being stable and flying through gusts.

.................plus the pilot isn't a million miles off from the CG...............a few 'oz' for all that effort ??

Phil

Hmm, 'All that effort' = 15 minutes with a dremel. I had no idea how much weight I would save as I've never done it before. I know now, and so do others.
I agree with what you say about the weight of a warbird but I've already added nearly 1lb with just the exhaust, even more with cockpit, tail wheel and servo, the paint and glass etc. I think it weighed about 18lbs before I started, I would like to keep it below 23Lbs AUW by the time I've finished, otherwise I'll never be able to get it in at my local patch. And yes Steve, I still have a bit of work to do on the cockpit, I need to get to the Humbrol shop.

Mat.

Thought you weren't going to do much on the cockpit   

Nice work mate   

The cockpit nits a weathered, and this afternoon (with a nasty headache from last nights works meal  ) I decided to crack on with applying WBC US grey to the underside on the wings. I'm really struggling with with spraying it. I'm not sure if it's the paing consistency or my Badger 200. Bloomin thing will be fine to start with then stop spraying, then after about a minute seem to get clogged, then splatter, then clog 

I've thinned it by adding about 6ml water to 1oz of paint. It started to look a bit thin on the surface so I am reluctant to add more water, or I'll be fish eyeing it. It it taking ages to do and I'm tempted to go get a rattle can.

I'll take some piccys in a bit...

Mud

I had the same problem using my airbrush so used a gravity feed detail gun instead, problems solved but I can only go down to about a 3/4" fan with that.

I had the same problem using my airbrush so used a gravity feed detail gun instead, problems solved but I can only go down to about a 3/4" fan with that.

I was just about to post the same thing.I use a small  gravity feed touch up gun at 40 to 60 psi for  big  jobs. 

ARRRRGH DAMB AIRBRUSHES 

Where's me 6" brush gone I give up!

I've sprayed thinned Spectrum before with no problems, maybe it doesn't like WBC, I'm ready to chuck it now, ALL day for what would be 20 secs with a rattle can, sod it.