Topic: DS-UK Speeds...

[youll only be pining after Christmas .................be dont go rushing off ]

You could be right, Andy. But not if I get an MCT in time

The V will probably go a bit more than its 185, but not much & not over the magic double-ton.
But still a great fast cruiser & doesn't even need much wind.

Funny old thing this DS lark. There's probably a lot of people who would like to DS but haven't and think that something like that Opus would be the wrong thing to buy early on. But I think that a lot of us make life a lot harder when we're starting out by flying things that are actually harder to DS, but we fly them because we think we shouldn't have specialised kit as we are newbies at DS. Zagi's for example, are actually pretty hard to DS. Tom has shown that if you're a decent pilot in the first place, then you might as well get started with a decent model. I'll bet that the Tragi, mental blocks aside with it being a rather expensive model, was a delight to DS.

I reckon that the Opus would be a great buy for almost anyone 

Zim

I agree with what you say Zim    But I dont think the Tragi is really that suitable ...not from the expense point of view   but more from its just to big ..........3mtrs is alot to hussle round the back .  Now stuff like Miraj's etc at 2.5 would be much more usuable  and repairable ....

[Funny old thing this DS lark. There's probably a lot of people who would like to DS but haven't and think that something like that Opus would be the wrong thing to buy early on. But I think that a lot of us make life a lot harder when we're starting out by flying things that are actually harder to DS, but we fly them because we think we shouldn't have specialised kit as we are newbies at DS. Zagi's for example, are actually pretty hard to DS. Tom has shown that if you're a decent pilot in the first place, then you might as well get started with a decent model. I'll bet that the Tragi, mental blocks aside with it being a rather expensive model, was a delight to DS.]

My first DS with the Opus was a real eye-opener. It was in a different league to anything else I'd flown; it generates speed easily, retains its speed effortlessly & tracks round almost on rails. Fast & easy.
So I agree it would be great to have one early on & save a load of struggling, but with one caveat. However kind it is to fly, it's still damned quick, so it ought not to be in the hands of a newbie.
Otherwise, by the same logic, newbies would be buying MCTs at the outset, since they must be even easier to fly accurately........though I don't think any of us would countenance that!
All the MCT pilots I know are far more skilled & experienced than me, so I'll be stepping up with extreme caution - though not trepidation, as I've every confidence in the craft itself

BTW, seems the weekend's PYF session was frustrated by bad weather on top.
Getting top speeds clearly requires a very high level of commitment & a dollop of good luck.
At least there's always good company & humour
And it turns out Abbo's Polecat survived OK

Nothing ventured........

Funny old thing this DS lark. There's probably a lot of people who would like to DS but haven't and think that something like that Opus would be the wrong thing to buy early on. But I think that a lot of us make life a lot harder when we're starting out by flying things that are actually harder to DS, but we fly them because we think we shouldn't have specialised kit as we are newbies at DS. Zagi's for example, are actually pretty hard to DS. Tom has shown that if you're a decent pilot in the first place, then you might as well get started with a decent model. I'll bet that the Tragi, mental blocks aside with it being a rather expensive model, was a delight to DS.

I reckon that the Opus would be a great buy for almost anyone 

Zim

I guess it's like front side flying though. The first time you fly an f3f or f3b model your realise that it's actually a doddle to fly and a doddle to land. it just costs you a lot if you crash it.

Anyway, I enjoyed DSing. If you haven't tried it, you should - it's very interesting and different to normal flying.

[I guess it's like front side flying though. The first time you fly an f3f or f3b model your realise that it's actually a doddle to fly and a doddle to land. it just costs you a lot if you crash it.]

Tom: In the DS context, thinking of safety implications rather than an embarrassed wallet!

[I guess it's like front side flying though. The first time you fly an f3f or f3b model your realise that it's actually a doddle to fly and a doddle to land. it just costs you a lot if you crash it.]

Tom: In the DS context, thinking of safety implications rather than an embarrassed wallet!

Well that is a good point mate. I wouldn't want a face full of 150mph Opus!

BTW, do you guys use a lot of expo in your DS settings?

BTW, do you guys use a lot of expo in your DS settings?

Top secret!!  Dont tell him.

[BTW, do you guys use a lot of expo in your DS settings? ]

About -15/-20% on (max useable throw) elevator, allied to about -20/-25% on the least (of 3) aileron rates.
Though expo can't be gauged in isolation! So only a v.rough guide, & subjective.

For top speeds (unless the install has flaps locked out at the servos), tape up the flaps at the root.
Use crystal/diamond tape, but always initially test (on the deck before launch!) the servos are up to the job of separating the flap from the tape on application of crow; assuming you wish to deploy crow for landing.

Otherwise, normally use snap-flap to boost elevator authority.
But that's "snap" with a very small "s"; the cambering at full ele is only about 1mm.

I have 15% on my Splinter all around, but bizarrely NONE on the my D40 and I don't feel like I need it either. My HP has a little on the elevator but tbh I could probably do without it.

I'm pretty new to DS so I haven't tried a lot of different stuff out, but from what I feel at the moment, I really don't like the idea of a soggy centre with a big nasty surprise waiting for me at the edges!

Z

True words there Tom! Graham (deckit on here) will tell you lots of info about DSing Bird60s - in fact he had his going round for some time this Sunday just gone.

Cheers

Z

Been chatting to John Buxton about his 260+ Bird. 8oz ballast and a pretty stock build. Probably most of the speed is from those surgeons fingers. Anyway 2 good top drive flap Bird wings now so the next will be a locked out at neutral bottom drive. Then I'll have the set.


All I need is the hill...

And the fingers.   

[Been chatting to John Buxton about his 260+ Bird. 8oz ballast and a pretty stock build. Probably most of the speed is from those surgeons fingers. Anyway 2 good top drive flap Bird wings now so the next will be a locked out at neutral bottom drive. Then I'll have the set.]

John:
Got it. So, my 4 thumbs & one finger is the problem.
Better polish them up.
Oh, & spend more time tuning the plane.
Then, if I haven't wrapped it in the interim, rebuild it properly at some stage.......

Even so, can't imagine one doing 260.
Perhaps surgeons operate in metric........

[...All I need is the hill... embarassed]

Since it would appear you live over here in the 51st. State, get your ass up to Rushup.

Love to, sadly all my spare time is committed to Weymouth at the moment.

Jason Lilly in da hooooooouuuuuuse!

http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/26882/DS Junky

I just saw that the DS section has 420 posts... so had to slam one in! 
George

no expo on elevator, tiny rates on aileron when its boogie'in!

Jason Lilly in da hooooooouuuuuuse!

http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/26882/DS Junky

 

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Mr Ed

No excuses, there are at least 3 pretty decent DS sites within spitting distance of Weymouth, just gotta get out and explore! (you really do need a car!)

A

[Jason Lilly in da hooooooouuuuuuse!]

Actually, that's a damned good effort.
And it's his wife, apparently, doing the backing. Big lungs.

Jason Lilly in da hooooooouuuuuuse!

http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/26882/DS Junky

For the first time ever in 6 or so years of RCMF I dont know what to type... lost for words as it were 

CM

That's 24 words.

Jason Lilly in da hooooooouuuuuuse!

http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/26882/DS Junky

coool bit arappin that dudes,could use alittle more "no readings" in it, init "is it cause i is dsin,"

yeah jase rocks!

So, is the DS scene dying?
Quite the contrary, though nothing much is happening at the mo due the dire weather.

But a very nice weather window enjoyed today by the 3 scivers who attended RE.
Superb N'ly wind with gobs of lift on the front, decent drive on the backside ("the wrong way round") allied to the highest shear in living memory, a sunny part-clouded sky but for the occasional passage of a snow shower, & only a handful of passing grokkels the whole day.

Steve Hobday ("Hobster") extensively raked the front with both his Big Bird & 7lb. MCT before, having been threatened with confiscation of his DS Club card, he eventually succumbed to some action on the back, giving a masterful display of tight but perfect lappery with his Gluedback (repaired Fastback) & hitting a highly commendable 116 mph.

Kiwi Steve ("Hot Air") displayed his skills on the front & racked up a rapid 122 mph on the back with his Mini Blade.

As usual, I couldn't get to grips with the Bird (must sort that incidence issue...), but my erratic displays involved sufficient laps (squillions...) to fluke a 129.
But knew the Opus would decimate the back with ease, so launched it only to suffer soon afterward a perplexing & visually horrifying 'death spiral'  quickly converted into an unavoidable tent-peg. Amazingly, minimal damage - a tough old bird. Then realised I'd stupidly allowed the TX aerial to come into contact with the barbed wire over the wall, resuting in a signal failure. Dumb, certainly, but one to remember.

Sorry not to have been joined by Abbo since, not only did we miss his entertaining company, but he would have enjoyed probably the most ideal F3F practice runs imaginable.
C'est la vie.

Yeah, a great day today. The coldest I have ever flown in. I've never flown in a snow shower before. All I could see was a tunnel of horizontal snow flakes all headed straight into my eyes.  I liken it to the Millenium Falcon going warp speed, which was great except it wasn't easy to see my plane.

You shouldn't be so humble there GB/deckit. It wasn't a day for anyone to be ground shy so just flying the back was enough. I tried and tried but as you saw I was stuck in the 110's most of the time. Bummer about your Opus. That sucked a kumara.

Nice to see you boys got out yesterday and got some DSing in, wind was good here, and for once it was dry, but I couldn't get off work.

Graham I hope the Opus repairs OK, time to get one of these

 Short coil antenna 35 Mc/s - Gliders Distribution

or go 2.4?

[...Short coil antenna 35 Mc/s - Gliders Distribution...]

Thanks for the shout.
Looks interesting, especially as I need to buy a spare aerial anyhow.
Anyone have practical experience of this item?

(Mind, reckon I could reach the barbed wire with that too )

2.4G not for me, I'm afraid.
Too expensive to convert planes.
Anyhow, it won't be long before everyone else is on 2.4, & I'll have Ch.58 all to myself

[...Short coil antenna 35 Mc/s - Gliders Distribution...]

Thanks for the shout.
Looks interesting, especially as I need to buy a spare aerial anyhow.
Anyone have practical experience of this item?

(Mind, reckon I could reach the barbed wire with that too )

2.4G not for me, I'm afraid.
Too expensive to convert planes.
Anyhow, it won't be long before everyone else is on 2.4, & I'll have Ch.58 all to myself

And I'll be beside you on 57 with abbo on the other side on 56

Been using a short coil antenna for a couple of years now. Even used it in an F3K competition with no problems. Never had any issues with range. Steve usually flies on an adjacent frequency but no problems with interference. Nothing to get in the way when launching either.

Only 2 downsides that I am aware of are probably less range than a normal antenna, but shouldn't be an issue unless you are thermaling at great height, and too short to put a wind direction ribbon on. Neither of these should be an issue if DSing.

Check-out post #26

The 100" Kinetic DP and Website - RC Groups

The good news is the K100 price is not yet fixed, allowing a short period to save up!

Wow thats some model for a potential $4000 dollars plus postage. I certainly wouldn'rt be wanging that around 6 foot off the deck at rushup. Surely you would have more fun getting moulds made yourself and making a few of your own designs for that sort of wedge?

Check-out post #26

The 100" Kinetic DP and Website - RC Groups

The good news is the K100 price is not yet fixed, allowing a short period to save up!

For a top end DS plane that may not be that out of the way ....I think the D80 is a bit of a steal really

check out post 123 in this thread
Compact DS, the NEW Plane - Page 9 - RC Groups

Check-out post #26

The 100" Kinetic DP and Website - RC Groups

The good news is the K100 price is not yet fixed, allowing a short period to save up!

Thats 2.5K plus postage plus Voltz servos and they aint cheap either... oh and plus import and vat... so lets say around the 3.25K marker.
So about one thousand pounds per hundred and thirty mph... 

That makes the Dynamic 80 mega VFM at about 1500 RTF  (Joe has built this to go 400mph+ too)

I'm sure Spencors aircraft is a total DS monster, but the price...    Only for the big of pocketzies and Bokkle!

Now that makes the Dynamic 40 SUPER value at about 300 quid ready to fly ! 

And itll go 250 if you have the ninja thumbs and the right sort of wind... which is about 80 per 100mph

George

Dont forget to add the 500$ shipping on your D80 though .....I think thats the current quote

We don't pay no steenking shipping mano!

Dont forget to add the 500$ shipping on your D80 though .....I think thats the current quote

 

Free shipping for the first few to order D80s

how else do you think i was allowed one??   "wow if i buy this plane now rather than later ill save $400"

Whilst perusing over a blade 1.9 and a typhoon this afternoon in leicestershires finest modelling emporium an idea hit me between the eyes like a brick...

How about taking a "cheap" 2m ship and making it strong from the inside out?

separate the wing halves my carefully dremelling all the way round then teasing the spar from one of the surfaces, then lay up inside to your hearts content.

Likewise with the fuselage, lay up from the inside.

Then just fix the whole lot together and go ream?

Imagine if you did that to say an X models whisper and wound her upto about three ton?  That would be true respec?

CM

Imagine if you did that to say an X models whisper and wound her upto about three ton?  That would be true respec?

CM

Respec indeed Doc! 
I am watching and waiting with Bated Breath Sir! 
When do you think it will be ready for the said reamage then?