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[p51p47]

Walts

If the WBC isn't filling the weave texture when sprayed, try thickening the paint a little.........if its too thin, it won't be able to 'bridge' the pin hoes......thicken it and you should be fine.

Alternatively.....brush the 1st coat....let that dry, flat it back to remove what brush marks may be left, then spray as normal.

Phil

[Walts]

Thanks for the tips Phil, understand I am not suggesting the problem is anything to do with WBC paint, i love this stuff! It would have occurred with any paint, it was purely due to poor prep on my part. Had i have primed the rear fus the pin holes would either have been filled in or bought to light for attention prior to applying the top paint. But in a vain effort to save weight on the rear, I decided not to prime that part and am now paying the consequences.
On this one I'll have to continue now with the compass, as you can see I've already laid down the lines and have started filling in.
Thanks again,
Walts. 

[Walts]

I've now got all the markings painted on, Just got to let them harden a bit then flat them down.

Warbirds hurricane build review

Warbirds hurricane build review

Walts.

 

[Fenland Flyer]

Looks spot on, I think painting the roundels etc is certainly the way to go.  Currently building up a Pica 1/6 Spitfire, I'll "borrow" some of your idea's! 

Hopefully the Hurri will fly as well as mine, if not better with the weight saving you made.  Mine is heavy, but has real presence in the air, only downside was the rather fast landings (and bent legs).  Other than that it was great.  I plan to have it out of retirement and back in the air soon.  It's hanging in the garage at the moment as I needed the radio\gear\engine for another project.  But it will be up there again soon enough.  Cant wait to see your Hurri in the air.

[lozza]

Next job is to make some paint masks for all the markings. I've ordered a couple of meters of Metamark masking vinyl thanks to reading the info posted by Lozza on the YT Hurri thread. Don't suppose she will send me a whole roll of the stuff by mistake like Lozza received though

Walts.

Walts what a fantastic job you've done looks superb as to the Metamark mask, was'nt a mistake on their part but the charm on my part  , thought i had allot of that till i asked for a sample of clear vinyl and got two rolls of varying grade each roll about 25m long by 1m wide, more charm I guess       , as too the blue mask did'nt last long though have bought plenty since

lozza

[Neilly]

Hi Walt,

The Hurri looks PDG

Re: the pin holes - When you realised they were there, what you could've done was - get a small paint brush & just dip it in the paint & touch each pin hole. When the paint dried just give it a light rub down & then apply top coats - everything should then be perfect ::cc ::cc ::cc

TTFN,
Neil

[Walts]

Ah, that'll be it then Lozza...........what with me having the charm of a Bulldog

Steve thanks mate, and yes, you need to get your Hurri in the air again

I've been trying my hand at some weathering last couple of days. I wanted to try and keep it subtle so the effects don't show up with the camera too far away, hence the close ups. I scratched tiny edges away from the panels with a scalpel, wire wooled the whole airframe again quite vigorously and added a wash, which shows up much better on the lower surfaces. I bottled trying to do exhaust stains though Seen a couple of Hurricanes spoilt at the last minute with over done exhaust stains, looking at pictures they look really difficult to get anywhere near right anyhow! Like my wing root, not really happy with it but it will only get worse if i don't leave it alone now.
Looking at war time pic's, the underside was very dirty & streaky, the surface detail has really helped to catch the wash here, but tell me if you think this is over done so i can learn for the next one.
Cheers,
Walts

Warbirds hurricane build review

Warbirds hurricane build review

Warbirds hurricane build review

Warbirds hurricane build review

Warbirds hurricane build review

Warbirds hurricane build review

Warbirds hurricane build review

 
  

[Walts]

Hi Neil,
     You posted while i was uploading the pic's, Thanks for the tips it can all go in to the next effort

Walts.

[Walts]

Here's a couple off stand of pic's, as you can see the weathering doesn't really show up from this distance, but it does give the model a genrally grubby look compared to the pic's before the weathering was done.

Warbirds hurricane build review

Warbirds hurricane build review

  Next job is to get the exhaust stacks glued in and seal the whole airframe. I've seen mention of pepole using thinned varnish, Is this normal Ronseal type stuff? will it effect the paint, or does it need to be a water soluble type???

Walts 

[Fenland Flyer]

I used PolyUrethane, thinned with a bit of white spirit.  Initial results were good, and I raved about it.  However, after some 20 flights there's some "pickles" showing...especially round the cowl and wing root which gets the brunt of it.  I did give it a few coats.  I'd also test it first to make sure it doesnt yellow the white on your roundels...

On my 190 I used Tuff Cote (2 part, solution and catalyst).  A bit of faffing about getting it mixed, but results so far are good.  Some 15 flights with the 190 and no signs of any paint coming off.  But then the exhaust routing is much better...

As a side note I used Flair Spectrum on the Hurri, and the 190 has cellulose paint.  Apparently the Flair stuff is fuel proof on its own... cough cough...just my experience.

[Neilly]

Hi Walt,

Ronseal polyurethane matt varnish (make sure you get the oil based version & NOT the water based) I thin mine about 60/40 varnish/white spirits. Although Phil found some proper acrylic matt varnish paint - but I can't recall what it was called.

TTFN,
Neil

[p51p47]

Hi Walt,

Ronseal polyurethane matt varnish (make sure you get the oil based version & NOT the water based) I thin mine about 60/40 varnish/white spirits. Although Phil found some proper acrylic matt varnish paint - but I can't recall what it was called.

TTFN,
Neil

The matt acrylic I used was on the Raider......it's an automotive basecoat solvent based acrylic made by (IIRC) 'Debear'................however, I have absolutely no idea if it's 'glo' proof.

You've used WBC on the rest of it.....why not consider WBC Satin Clear as your final top coat?

Phil

ps:- model's lookin fantastic.....

[Walts]

Hi all,
    Thanks for the replies, now i have a right pickle of a decision to make I have used Flair satin fuel proofer in the past and it gives excellent results appearance wise, and Matt's things down flatter than a matt paint (don't know why they call it satin) but i have read on here it is useless as a fuel proofer, unfortunately the models I've done with it haven't lasted long enough to find out
Tuff coat is an excellent fuel proofer but only comes in little bottles not suitable for spraying a whole airframe and i would be worried about what to thin it with to get it through the air brush anyhow.

I used J. Perkins 'fuel proofer', which appears to all intensive perposes to be normal varnish, to do the engine bay on the Black horse P47 and it pickled with in a few flights! Hence my question about Ronseal.
The only thing putting me off of using the WBC clear coat is the satin finish. Their paint is excellent, but took a fair bit of flatting down to get a nice worn flat look, so i don't really want to add any shine at all again to it
Oh well, I'll have to make a decision today on it.
Thanks,
Walts

[Walts]

Just another quick thought.............Phil, I remember my old man used to use a flatting agent he mixed in with some gloss paints to 'matt' them, can't remember who done it though. Do you know of one that might be suitable to use with the WBC satin clear coat to give a totally flat finish?

Walts.

[Dave_S]

Walts, it's a good few years since I've used any Tuffcote, but my recollection of it was that it was thin enough to spray as it comes, and that a little goes a long way, so one bottle (unless the current bottles are smaller than the ones they used 15-20 years ago) would be enough for quite a large model.

Dave S

[Walts]

O.K. Thanks Dave, I too haven't had any tufcoat around for some years, perhaps my recollection of size has diminished, I just remember the catalyst being in a tiny bottle, but i think your right, the main bottle was around an old style medicine size bottle. I'll be going out today then to try and pick some up

Walts

[Dave_S]

That's about the size I remember as well. I have a vague idea that it was 'reformulated' at some point. I do know that the original stuff was rather nasty when sprayed, certainly not something you want to inhale more than once.

Dave

[p51p47]

Just another quick thought.............Phil, I remember my old man used to use a flatting agent he mixed in with some gloss paints to 'matt' them, can't remember who done it though. Do you know of one that might be suitable to use with the WBC satin clear coat to give a totally flat finish?

Walts.

Mmmm.....wasn't the old man who used a flatting agent??.......so sorry, can't help you there.

Have a word with Dennis (IL-2, Defiant etc...) & I think Richard (Hellcat, BT Hurricane etc...) both have used the satin on recent projects, so they'll be able to give an unbiased opinion (but from seeing models of theirs at Scampton earlier this year, I;d personally call it closer to matt than a true satin)

Also remember, the finish can be 'altered' depending on how it's applied................build up thickness is several light dust coats and you'll see a flatter finish than if you apply a dust coat, followed by a wet flow coat.

HTH

Phil

[Flightpack]

Whose "Old Man" added the flatting agent then, 
Walt thought it was his "Old Man" not yours, Phil
do your "Old Men" Know you refer to them as such, (Tsk, no respect these youngsters)

[Walts]

do your "Old Men" Know you refer to them as such, (Tsk, no respect these youngsters)

Don't worry Flightpack..............I suspect he'll be along shortly to publicly clip me round the ear

Thanks for the reply Phil, Think I'll go with the tufcoat on this one, as i feel the smaller scale of this model really needs to stay completely flat

Walts

[Walts]

I could only manage to find Aerokote stocked locally, so i picked up a couple of lots of matt finish, I'll give it a go over the weekend. Whilst i was out i decided to have a go at exhaust stains after all, so i picked up some artist's pastel chalks, the theory being if i didn't like it i could simply wash it off.
 Well this is how it looks so far (just slightly more evident in the flesh) I'm not sure wether it will become more evident with the fuel proofer or less, so i won't over do it just in case

Warbirds hurricane build review

Oh, and I've just noticed looking at the pic that i need to darken up the flat ends of the exhaust stubs........

Walts

[p51p47]

do your "Old Men" Know you refer to them as such, (Tsk, no respect these youngsters)

Yep 

[Daviddsw]

Hi all
This is the old man and I would not dream of giving my darling son a proverbial clip around the ears, but I've got a loverly  leather belt if he steps to far out of line. Ah my little  :angel: :angel: I'm proud of all my children, and as you have all seen Walt certainly shines in his own field of expertise.

Dave

[Walts]

but I've got a loverly  leather belt if he steps to far out of line.

 But what about this flatting agent you used to use to Matt gloss paint?

[Slipstream]

Superb job Walts !  May I suggest a few oil streaks from under the engine cowl ?

I hope it files as well as it looks !

Steve

[Walts]

May I suggest a few oil streaks from under the engine cowl ?



Steve

Probably a very good suggestion Steve, Unfortunately I've spent the day up to my eyes in the gooey mess that comes from spraying Aerokote through a double action airbrush. Spent longer cleaning my gear than getting it on the model, this stuff starts to gel fast!! So i can't add any more weathering now...........But there's always the next one

walts.

[Daviddsw]

Hi all
                             "(But what about this flatting agent you used to use to Matt gloss paint?)"

        Walt I've been racking my brain for the brand name of that flatting agent but the only conclusion I can reach is that it was probably marketed by Sola-film, soul-ly because I remember that the label was pink and at that time they were the only company marketing their wares in that fashion.
I think you might have a problem with it any way because it was a white powder probably salt of some kind which may not desolve sufficiently enough to spray with.
Dave

[Neilly]

Hi Guys,

I think there's some confusion creeping in here. I think what Walt is on about is a MATTING agent - which you could (& probably still can) get for cellulose paint. FLATTING paste is used like a coarse T-Cut, to take the gloss off the paint. The cellulose matting agent doesn't work with acrylic paint - I know because I've tried. It leaves you with a finish that looks like you were using a steam room to spray in

TTFN,
Neil

[Walts]

Yes, I think your right Neil, I remember it as a paste in a small tube that you mixed a small amount in with your paint to Matt it, and as it was such a long time ago, it probably was designed for cellulose paints.........Oh well just a thought.

Walts.

[Walts]

I've been steadily knocking out the last few jobs to get it finished. I decided to add a little more in the 1/2 cockpit, I've added the armour plate behind the pilots head, the cockpit safety harness and a seat back for the little fella canopy is glued on now and is taped up while it dries.

Warbirds hurricane build review

Warbirds hurricane build review

 I've also done the final fitting of the cowl. The point in going for the RCV SP was to get the whole thing in the cowl, but i ended up having to cut away quite a bit of the bottom to clear the exhaust, and some rather strange holes to clear the carb & needle valve. There is a baffle between the inlet & outlet to try and direct air through the fins of the engine.

Warbirds hurricane build review

Warbirds hurricane build review

Warbirds hurricane build review

The tubes hanging out the bottom are the crank case vent tube & the filler tube, i could tidy them up a bit but that would mean even more holes in the cowl, as it is it still retains a good side profile. Also the remote glow socket is mounted to the fire wall just inside the cowl.
Just a couple more jobs to do................funny how i tend to slow right down as the maiden looms ever closer