Topic: Ode to my Speedo

M8 , im not on 2.4 ,
                  I used a GWS 6 channel micro reciever under the wing seat pushed back towards the Tail on the last 1 , that leaves ample room under the wing for my Ubec , i put the servo in the front as far back as i could get it , so right at the back of the cockpit , that would leave enough room for a 1/3 aa pack , but i use 900mah 2's LiPo, and a small amount of lead in the front , also when you fit the servos in the wing mate and got your control surfaces right , check the balance , a small sliver of lead in a wingtip will see it balanced

          Bob

cheers for that i have now used a corana synth 4 channel and mixed  channel 4 rudder aileron till i get a 6 channel  col

>>>>> SUGGESTION <<<<<          >>>>> SUGGESTION <<<<<      >>>>> SUGGESTION <<<<<
Guys: shall we keep just one active Speedo thread going at the moment... maybe this one rather than the "speedo arrived today" thread 

Yes m8 ,
            Thats a good Idea 


                      Bob

finished putting it together just needs balancing still got to get a new receiver 6 ch but i will use the 4 ch till it arrives BTW where did you get your lipo from i have a ubec so might well use it cheers col

Have you gone for a standard-build : looks as though that should be pretty quick.

I'm going to go for CliffHanger's mod with a rudder, and may complicate matters by making the h-stab & rudder removable to make this an easily packable model

yep just standard fit exept i put tower pro mg in fuz and wings 

 Col ,

 CoG is ok at around 70mm , some have it back at near 80 mm , but thats not comfortable for me , its bang on at 72 mm  , and with the bigger battery its at 68mm for 25 mph +  . Hope it helps mate ,
                                 Also , i found its better to wing balance on the plane m8 , just used a flat surface let it rock one way or the other , add the little bit of lead to the very tip of the rased wing tip till neither side drops more than the other ,
        Then Fly it 

                Bob

Ok,
        picked it up from the Post office this morning , even the woman behind the counter thought it bad they charged me VAT , and then Royal Mail charged me even more than the cost of VAT for the privelage , Anyway after work tonight on close inspection , the Stab has a crack right across . so its a duffer . Awaiting email from Aure at R2 as to what they are gonna do , i know i could fix it , but at £60 now i dont see why i should , anyway heres a pic so you can see yourselfs .

      




                     Bob

ah sorry m8 there probably replace the fuz for you  just waiting for the new receiver to come from gc then its off to play on wednesday  col

Good Luck with it m8 ,
                    but im sure it will be fine straight off 

             And im sure you will enjoy the experience of this speedy little bundle of fun 


                  Bob

 The Speedo story continues,

        I received an Email from R2 yesterday asking to send pictures of the damage to the plane and to photo the box , they wanted to claim on hong Kong postal insurance , but as i pointed out in the original complaint Email the box was in perfect condition .

    The reply i got today was in pigeon English ,
                        which you have to try and fathom what they are actually trying to say .


 Ok they haven't got another fuse as a spare part , but they will do me a very special offer to buy a New 1 and keep the old 1 as spare wing and fin , Trouble i think is that Ive paid near as damn £60+ for 1 at the moment , which i guess i was unlucky , but if they send me another 1 then i could get stung with another VAT bill for something that's a replacement .

           I may just give up Slope Soaring in a min , and take up Knitting with my Mrs ,
                But i will see how cheap it is , and I'm certainly not paying for the postage again .


                                      Bob

flew mine yesterday very nice wind was marginal cant wait for a stronger blow to get it moving hope you have better luck sorting yours out bob  col

My Speedo wing looked to be over-ironed. The balsa was showing through the film. It is just cosmetic really but a bit irritating. I had a few emails with R2 (and it's always a bit trying as English isn't their first language but they do their best) and the best they could offer was 10% off a new one. No way I need a whole spare for 10% off (and I didn't get stung for VAT) so I just put it down to experience.

Still I have my Luna to fix, Sagitta to sort, finish covering my Weasel and then start glassing and try and finish a pre-loved Phase 6 I have. So it's not like it's going to get built any time soon!

My Speedo wing looked to be over-ironed. The balsa was showing through the film. It is just cosmetic really but a bit irritating.

I just had another look at mine and I think it's just that the ribs have been laser cut and it's the scorched edges showing through the film.
 All being well mine will be getting an airing tomorrow as I'll be making a long overdue visit to the slope (LMMGA).
  It really is a sweet glider to fly and can turn low and slow without any tip stall or other bad manners. Best £34 (delivered) I've ever spent on a model.  

Here's a pic from back in January just as a reminder to show what a hard bunch we glider guiders are.  Fly in owt if the winds right! 

Heres where Im at !!

 Although it needs reading from the bottom up , as the lowest email was my first reply to them .

                    From:  bob_runyeard 
Sent: 10 July 2010 07:23:05
To:  cs@r2hobbies.com

Hi Aure/Leona/Herman
     
1.  The 2Ch RC EP 1.2M Speedo Pro Mark II Glider that i've paid £50 for was supplied Damaged. I notified you straight away , with photos and Emails.
2.  You Do not have a replacement part to send me FREE of charge , so Leona offered me to keep the Damaged 1.2M Speedo Pro Mark II ,and i would pay the extra for spare parts i don't need .
3.   I don't need more parts for models , But as a Loyal customer to R2 hobbies and revolution shop i would try to help you and pay for the spare bits . please understand you are not helping me , you should just supply the part that i received damaged , I shouldn't have to meet your shipping costs for supplying me with a Damaged Item.
4. I am only willing to help the situation and pay £20 GBP / $30 USD for the parts i do not require . This is all i am willing to pay ,
 That would take the cost of 1 working speedo pro mkII  over £70 / $110
 
 Please Understand , I only want to have the plane i've already paid £50GBP for , i have received broken bits that are not functioning .
 
         If this is not acceptable i would like a full refund because I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A WORKING 2Ch RC EP 1.2M Speedo Pro Mark II Glider .
 
            I hope you understand
 
            Kind regards
 
            Bob Runyeard
           
 
 
 
 
 

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:05:16 +0800
Subject: Re: Update regarding your order
From: cs@r2hobbies.com
To: bob_runyeard

Hi there,

I'm so sorry about that. Please kindly have a look here below for the invoice that the best offer that we can offer you. Please kindly notice that our profit margin is very low already.



Details Name Unit Price Quantity Total

 2Ch RC EP 1.2M Speedo Pro Mark II Glider - Gold Edge / White/ Grey Fuselage US$55.59 1
 US$55.59
  Sub Total: US$55.59
Shipping Estimate: US$28.77
Country: Great Britain
 
Grand Total after discounted: US$56.57
56.57 USD = 37.57 GBP

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Thank you very much.
 
Yours Sincerely,
Herman
 
http://www.r2hobbies.com



On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Robert runyeard <bob_runyeard@hotmail.com> wrote:

I am sorry to say that this is not an offer i would accept ,
          I have paid £50 GBP for the original 2ch rc ep 1.2 speedo pro order - 143584, it was a faulty Product you sent me ,
              So i have already spent £50 GBP for a plane that is not useable , i am at the most willing to pay £20 GBP for spare parts i dont really require , This is not because i want to buy a spare wing or parts , its because you dont have the spare parts to replace the broken one you posted to me ,
                              my problem is that i dont have a useable plane , and i am not willing to spend another £44.58 GBP for a Fuselage that should be replaced by yourself at no cost to me,
              My offer is this , i will pay you £20 GBP for the rest of the plane that you should replace , The postage cost should be met by yourselfs because i havent recieved what i payed for,  As in a working ARTF speedo mkII , because the Damaged part makes the Model completely useless,
                             If this is not acceptable i will have no alternative but to ask for a full refund for the Non functionable items you sent to me , i can do this through youselfs at R2hobbies ,Or i will deal directly with PayPal to get the money back for a product that is not working as understood when being purchased.
            Im very sorry , but to ask me to pay postage for something that is clearly down to R2 hobbies is wrong , you should Replace the broken Item with a New fuselage , you say you are Giving me a special offer , but unfortunately its Not , i only originally paid £5 GBP more than your SPECIAL OFFER .
 
            Please advise me as soon as possible as to what you are willing to do to resolve this
Problem , a problem i would like to point out is not the fault of the myself . 
 
               Regards
                     Bob         

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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:05:54 +0800

Subject: Re: Update regarding your order
From: cs@r2hobbies.com
To: bob_runyeard

Hi there,

Thank you for your reply. Please kindly have a look here below for the invoice.


Details Name Unit Price Quantity Total


 2Ch RC EP 1.2M Speedo Pro Mark II Glider - Gold Edge / White/ Grey Fuselage US$55.59 1
 US$55.59
  Sub Total: US$55.59
Shipping Estimate: US$28.77
Country: Great Britain
 
Grand Total after discounted: US$67.68
67.68 USD = 44.58 GBP


If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Thank you very much.
 
Yours Sincerely,
Herman
 
http://www.r2hobbies.com



On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:16 AM, robert runyeard <bob_runyeard@hotmail.com> wrote:

Herman / Leona or Aure,
                  I can confirm i dont need anything to order at this time , but thank you anyway.
      I would require the replacement Speedo ARTF plane order - 143584 as soon as possible please as its now going to be another week before i recieve a replacement to build and fly . .
             Thank you for your Time .
                      Kind Regards
 
                    Bob Runyeard

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:36:18 +0800

Subject: Re: Update regarding your order
From: cs@r2hobbies.com
To: bob_runyeard

Hi there,

Thank you for your kindness and reply. Actually, can you please kindly confirm with us that is there anything else that you like to order? We can help you check it. = )

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Thank you very much.
 
Yours Sincerely,
Herman
 
http://www.r2hobbies.com


On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 PM, robert runyeard <bob_runyeard@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Again Leona ,
        I would Be willing to take you up on the special offer , Dependant on how much in English Pounds this offer is for ? ,
                   Thank You
     The Broken ARF version sent has already cost me £60 on account of the Tax i had to pay , So please Ensure the Value written on the package is no more than £18 with Gift , Or I would have to pay Tax on a replacement part ive already payed Tax for.
             Thank You For your trouble ,
              and i await your reply
 
                      Kind Regards
 
                    Bob Runyeard

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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:44:01 +0800

Subject: Re: Update regarding your order
From: cs@r2hobbies.com
To: bob_runyeard

Hi there,

Thanks for your email. We are very sorry for the inconvenience caused. Would you mind to keep this plane and we give you a special offer to purchase with an ARF version? As we do not have the spare parts of this item for sale so that we would like to give you a special offer to purchase with an ARF version as a spare parts for your whole plane. Please kindly inform with us will you accept this deal. Looking forward to hear from you soon.





p.s. Our website is now lauching a membership program, joining our member club you may have a 10% off in your whole order, please kindly consider with. ; )




If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us. Have a nice day!
 
Yours Sincerely,
Leona
 
http://www.r2hobbies.com




On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:24 AM, robert runyeard <bob_runyeard@hotmail.com> wrote:

Leona,
    Please Find Attached photo of Box as requested , which as i said is not damaged.
        I appreciate your Imediate attention Regarding this matter and hope for a replacement as soon as possible please.
                            Thank You
                Kind Regards
                         Bob Runyeard         


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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:18:26 +0800
Subject: Re: Update regarding your order
From: cs@r2hobbies.com
To: bob_runyeard


Hi there,

Thanks for your email. Would you mind to take a photo on the parcel box and send to us for checking? If the parcel box has already be cracked at once, we can claim the insurance with Hong Kong Post. So, please kindly check if the parcel box has been broken or pressed at once. Looking forward to hear from you soon.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us. Have a nice day!
 
Yours Sincerely,
Leona
 

http://www.r2hobbies.com




On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 1:54 AM, robert runyeard <bob_runyeard@hotmail.com> wrote:


 

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Aure,
   Please find enclosed Photo of crack on tail stab as attachment shows,
                           as per previous Email Regarding a Replacement part.
 
                       Thank You
                         And
                  Kind Regards
 
             Bob Runyeard



So there ya go , i  am still waiting for another reply.
 Bit gutted cos i sing these guys praises , just not a good way to deal with damaged goods.


      Bob

Wow , at last


 I received this Email after asking for my money back .

                         Hi there,

I'm so sorry about that. Actually, we have this here fuselage on white color that we can send to you for replacement. Would you accept it? You can have a look here below for the details. If you accept, is there anything else that you like to order? We can combine the shipment for you. Please kindly reply us.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Thank you very much.
 
Yours Sincerely,
Herman


          They are going to send a replacement after 10 days of haggling , 

              I must say its probably difficult for them , but they have gone up in my estimation with there customer service .

                     I'm happy now , i will keep the broken fuse and try a rudder or a V-tail


              Bob             

thats a good result after all that many would have given up at the first hurdle push enough and you can always get a result good on yer bob

Well i managed to maiden it tonight ,
                       The wind wasn't playing but the speedo went off nicely , couple clicks of Elevator saw it working its little magic , thought i had a problem with a wing dropping periodically, turned out the wind went from West north West round to North West so almost wrong to fly off of cliffs , But it needed doing and i wasn't going to maiden it off of the ~~~~~Bungee  

           Anyway, one other thing , i bought 4 of these E-Power 8.5g digital micro servo from Giant Cod , i gotta say I'm very impressed with the speed , Ive never seen them before , but i will get some more , I really am impressed with them. Anyone else tried them ?


                        Bob

Hi Bob, used them in my Splat an the 60" Mako, that I flew with you...Good aint they 

Yes m8,
    They are so fast ,  i was doing 2 axial rolls in the speed it used to take to do 1 , so Amazing , i cant wait for a nice straight on Blow to really throw it about a bit , But definitely going to order some more to keep in my box for use in something else .

         Really Good Quality at a very reasonable price , just gotta see them last the test of time 

             Well done Giant Cod

                             ~Bob~

As a matter of interest has anyone had a Speedo II with a white fuselage?  I thought they only did the new, stronger (and it is) fuselage in grey. If that's the case I worry that the replacement you're getting is actually off a Mk 1 which you could only get in white. It'll still fit but will need reinforcing in the wing seat and canopy areas.

On the topic of custom charges I read somewhere that Chinese customs are tightening up on exporters using "creative" values on the declarations which is why you can run into bother with UK customs, and as others have said I could live with the VAT charge but Parcelfarces collection charge really ticks me off.  I got a Bulero off eBay from revolutionshop (R2Hobbies) on similar timing to the above events in this thread and did not get charged but I think that this is going to become much rarer in future than it has been in the past 

.................. we have this here fuselage on white color that we can send to you for replacement. Would you accept it? You can have a look here below for the details. If you accept, is there anything else that you like to order? We can combine the shipment for you. Please kindly reply us.
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          They are going to send a replacement after 10 days of haggling , 

              I must say its probably difficult for them , but they have gone up in my estimation with there customer service .

                     I'm happy now , i will keep the broken fuse and try a rudder or a V-tail


              Bob             

No m8 ,
         Its the same as the Grey but white (all white looks better than white and grey),
                                                                     Ive had 3 different types over the past couple of years.
                Plus ive still got the grey Fuse with cracked fin which has a foam wing coming for it , and will i hope end up with a "V" tail 


                                    Bob

           Anyway, one other thing , i bought 4 of these E-Power 8.5g digital micro servo from Giant Cod , i gotta say I'm very impressed with the speed , Ive never seen them before , but i will get some more , I really am impressed with them. Anyone else tried them ?

Yup, been using them for some time now, its my UK available budget servo of choice.

Wow -  these Speedo’s really do rock: Just returned from a great afternoon at Brean Down (Bristol Channel’s answer to Portland/The Great Orme - OK it’s only half the Orme’s height but you get the picture ). With the wind 20deg East of North, the coastal lift was superb, and I alternated beween flying the WR-Fox & Speedo, until the wind eventually died & I headed back to the carpark and a cornetto 

  Now for the best bit - sitting on the sea wall I realised the wind was back but now in the west, and hey - those seagulls are cruising the wall with no flappy-flappy. Hmm - nasty looking boulders in the wall: shall I/shan't I? Well the feathered guys can do it, so why not me?

Launch out with the Speedo.... a few test flights (landing out on the sand) until I found the "sweet spot", then finished the arvo sloping along the wall, until my transmitter low-battery warning called a halt. What an epic blast...

Speedos are good 
was watching Bob fly his new one today
hell, I even got to fly it, even though his Tx is mode_1 & I fly mode_2

Phil.

Wow -  these Speedo’s really do rock: Just returned from a great afternoon.......

Good man, another convert to the way of Speedo! 

Yes Phil ,
          well done m8, you actually got to fly in the correct manner hahahahah .
               Only Kidding , But it was a blinding effort for a mode 2 flyer to have a go at Mode 1 . and too be Honest you did better than i would trying Mode 2 , not that i would try .
       But the Speedo didnt fail to amuse , Nice Lawn dart landing by myself  , the only part of the plane that touched the floor was the nose , Strongbow style  .
         I cant wait to get my foam wing from Barry at foamwings uk to build the 2nd generation Speedo , Still Awesome Value , Flys Slow ,Thermals and gets a shift on a bit aswell when needed 

                     Bob

Yep - excellent "Strongbow" one-point landing there 

Phil.

OMG ,

       The New Wings are here ,
                       They are stunning , really great quality foam , and even nicer obichee     i am Gob smacked .

         Well its fair to say that Foam wings Uk have now the perfect replacement wing profile for a Speedo , I asked for an Rg15 section , and it fits the fuse perfectly , man i am over the moon with them .

             Thanks Barry if your on here 


                                                       Bob

come on then bob how much they cost ya and do you have to cut for ailerons and servo holes ?? cheers col

£48 inc postage ,
      The quality is excellent ,
  I have to cut servo holes and Ailerons , not a problem though , i will run the servo extension behind the Aileron hinge spar, which i will put in made of Balsa , i will add a Hardwood leading edge , and join them with a nice 4 " wing bandage.

         Will put up some photys when its being done , probably end of the week should see the wings finished 
         Knowing what i do now after seeing the wings , £48 is quite expensive , but if you didn't have the glass at the trailing edge then it would be cheaper , if you didn't have blue foam and just had white it would be cheaper , So i think there are cheaper options .

            Bob