Topic: Getting started in E2K

ok so inspired at the Nat's I really feel I should have a go at E2K.  I have never raced before (other than Club sports type activities) but would like to get involved.  I have a small problem though in as much as I don't belong to a Club, although I do have the opportunity to fly low and fast over the sea! So tell me, how do I get involved and where do I find the rules etc?

Thanks in advance.

ok, answered my own questions I think!

http://e2kpylon.webs.com/

Hi wiz

All the info you need is here http://www.e2kpylon.co.uk/

I'm not sure if anyone is actually racing it at the moment but it is a good formula. Just never really seemed to catch on  . The nay - sayers out there will witter on about its all wrong, we shouldn't use 4S packs etc etc but the fact is the models are as fast (if not faster) then Club 2000 and no more expensive to power especially if you take in to account the reduced entry fees for e2k because you dont use any fuel as provided for the club 2000 glow competitors  

If you want to give it a go the c2000 guys will welcome you and let you race against the glows - they're an excellent bunch of lads  

In the years to come small glow engines will become more and more difficult to source as they are inferior in performance to electrics and so wont continue sell well enough to justify their continued manufacture. Electircs are ideally suited for pylon racing as no reciprocating parts make rev's easy and you only need to be able to run for around 2 minutes so duration isn't an issue  

E2k will get the popularity it deserves - just might take a year or so  

And yes I know its a bit my fault as I was involved in the development of the class but dont race myself anymore  

You did that while I was waffling on 

Nigel

I might have an E2K racer for sale still, if the guy who asked for it at the nats, doesn't come back to me. It's a Wasp kit, ready to fly with servo's, rx battery, esc, motor (plus a spare I think) 2 packs of overlander, race legal 4s packs £150

I think it won every event last year, so goes well. There was a slight crack in the side of the fuz, but all cyano'd up

had a look and i have 3 sets of lipos and a spare motor. You could have the lot for £160 

Duncan,  really appreciate the offer but if I do go in for it, I would like to build my own model etc - for me that would be a big part of it.

It seems at the moment though there's not a big E2K following.

It seems at the moment though there's not a big E2K following.

Don't worry about a lack of numbers. E2K fits in perfectly with C2000 where you will be made most welcome.

I have just returned from the Nats where I was the only Brit  (Note to those that were there, not English) competing in the class against three Dutchmen. The racing was great, the company was great, the equipment was 100% reliable for everyone and the weather was Carp.

So build a model, come and join us you will enjoy it.


Regards

Stuart  

There was a strong Dutch contingent at the Nat's    and only one British competitor  
seems the people who set the rules no longer want anything to do with it  

Sorry Stuart ......... I should have said "most" of the people 

Chas, maybe they only set the rules, because they weren't competitive at C2000  lol

No worries Nigel, Mike Toyer sells artf models in both IC and E2K versions for between £60 - £80. Nicely made made, that do the business

I'm not sure what the lap times were like at the weekend, but the record for E2k is around 69 - 70 seconds and with C2000 getting down to 74 in the wind at the nationals, then the good E2K guys should of been just a little bit quicker than that.

It has the possibility of being a great class, if it gets more pilots. This could all change though, with the talk of a new intro electric class on the big FAI course, using the new YT International leccy Dago. It looks like a cross between and F5d and F3d model but at only £129 (£29 if your name is Ben ) it could be a cheap way to go racing at a decent speed to.

Duncan

seems the people who set the rules no longer want anything to do with it 

Following my return to racing (if that's what I do) this year in E2K I have decided that I am here for the long term.

Quite simply, the early work that we all put in produced a class that is too good to let die, it simply needs promoting.

Over the course of the Nats we had something like fifty races with 100% reliability and it is this plug and play aspect that should appeal to newcomers.

Regards

Stu
 

guys

I feel i'm a bit in the frame here   . I got involved with club 2000 as the spad combat scene was dying and I enjoyed some sort of competition now and then./  I actually did a full season and competed at the Nats with glow  c2000. But all the time there was the suggestion of a better way  

I absolutely put my hands up as the person who suggested the e2k motor - and i still have no regrets about that - it does exactly what it says on the tin  . I no longer race myself because there's a lot of travelling to do - erm and i'm rubbish at it. I love to fly fast models but i'm no good at doing round the course. No different to when I did full size rallycross - did mega powerslides everywhere - great fun but you never won much

e2k will prevail i'm sure -  all this talk tempts me to come and be rubbish again. For anyone to suggest I want nothing more to do with it disappoints me   but hasn't taught me to spell

but i'm enjoying building things at the moment so we'll see  

Hi Folks,

Just would like to say that I thoroughly enjoyed the Nats. I was one of the three Dutchmen competing in the E2K class. Being my first ever electric aircraft, I am totally convinced this is the way to go. As discussed during the Nats, we are trying to get the class off the ground in the Netherlands as well. I am sure that if we can get more people competing on both sides of the water, we'll have an unbeatable class within the year that will draw a steadily increasing number of competitors.

This stuff is simple to make, simple to run and simple to transport! What it is not is uneventful... with the present rules it's faster than a Club2000 a/c!! Converting a Club 2000 a/c to electrics is a peace of cake. Compared to Quicky 500 silent (we struggle with environmental rules in the Netherlands.....) it seems to fly 'Quicker' and doesn't need a surface to take off from (of which I feel is a drawback of Q500).

Check out the Dutch racing site for an idea of the upcoming events here and drop us a line if you want to join in.

So let's all start flying E2K and make sure that if I compete in next years Nats, coming in last doesn't reward me 4^th place!!!

Best regards,

André

Well said Andre, there is no better introduction to racing.

I absolutely enjoyed this Nats better than any other - good flying, great company, fantastic fun and Carp weather.

Glad to see you all got home safely.

Stuart

Hi all,

I maidened my E2k yesterday, only to have the recommended motor seize in the air throwing the spinner nut. Is there an alternative motor?

It's the only motor that is allowed for racing. I've had 2 motors for 2 years now and neither has ever given me any problems, although other people have had theirs let go very quickly, like yours.

Was it the magnets coming loose that caused it?

Duncan

I have not had the time to look yet  but can say the short flight i had was great   

lol as long as you enjoyed it. The guy who asked for my E2k hasn't come back to me yet, so i might just end up keeping it 

The guy who asked for my E2k hasn't come back to me yet, so i might just end up keeping it 

Good man Duncan, come and race it. It will stand you in good stead for the big course.

You know it makes sense.


Stu

I maidened my E2k yesterday, only to have the recommended motor seize in the air throwing the spinner nut. Is there an alternative motor?

Sorry to hear about your motor failure. Unfortunately these things happen regardless of the make of motor (don't ask me how I know). 

If you don't intend to compete you will find that Overlander do a 3536 motor that will do the trick.

In all honesty if you wanted to try the class and turned up at a race meeting with that motor you would not be turned away.

I would be interested in the post mortem results.

Hope this helps

Stu

I doubt i'll race it Stu, as when on the small course i like the IC class as there is quite a few more to compete against 

Hi Stu,

Thanks for the replacement motor info, I will look  into that, I have had a quick look at my motor, I loosened off the retaining collet and gave the shaft a gentle tap (or 3)  and it is now free as you would expect. However I have yet to put it back on the airframe and fire it up again.

Like Duncan I do not intend to race the model, it was purely a need for speed  that I built it and the fact I bought 3 kits for me and my son, NickR100. Unfortunately with 500miles between us we dont meet for flying that often 

Well, my motr has now been refitted to my airframe and run up in the garage without a prop and all seems fine, so its off to the strip tomorrow to try it again at full chat.

Just to be certain I have ordered a new motor from Overlander, I can always fit it to another model if I dont need to replace the Turnigy 

Glad you got it sorted fingers crossed.

It looks like I spoke too soon and hopefully my E2k is now sold, which can go towards the new f5d model I picked up at the nats

Hi there, racing with the wasp is great. racing at the Nats is the best despite the weather.

I do have some advise about the motors.
The turnigy is great, but as they are produce at low cost, there is a chance that they are not cleaned well, so please after arrival take it appart and make sure there are no lose metal parts in it.
Also when cutting the shaft make sure no metal can enter the motor. Tape all the wholes before cutting.
Then we also found that the connectors on the 3 motorwires can come lose, please check the soldering.

Fore the regulator, don't use a small one, I prefer an 80 amp regulator.
Set it to soft start and use the brake.

For safety reasons use not only the throttle on the transmitter, but mix a switch with the throttle, so if you move the throttle accidentally the motor stays off.
If possible use an receiver with failsafe, they are racers, though they are small.

suc6 Wubbo

Unfortunately my motor lasted all of 3 circuits before seizing again, so i shall be relegating it to a paper weight. 

We did not have any failures until now, only one died at an bad crash.

Are you sure your motor seized, can you change the timing of the motor?
What do you mean bij seized, does it do nothing anymore?

You can just about turn it by hand, when this happened before on its first flight, I took it off the airframe and gave it a tap from behind (gentle) and it came free to give me the last flight i had. I now have a new motor coming from Overlander and will try that. I have never taken a BL motor apart before, but i will on this one just in case there is something obvious that i cant see from outside the bell.

Or it is dirty on the inside, or the axcel if is not on the proper position in the bearing, or one of the magnets is lose.
Most likely the first option.

Just received my wasp electric, almost happy the next event been moved to the 3/10 I might have enough time to get my model set by then

I have a few question about the setup.
For the propeller will any APC 8x6 brand will do or they need to be from the company APC that make them greyish color?
Does the lipo need to be of a certain brand too, or we can use any lipo within the limitation?

Many thanks

The prop has to be an APC and any brand of 4s, max 35c discharge lipos are allowed

Thx Duncan, really appreciate the help.

L

Hi all.
 This has got me thinking now. Do I go for CK2 or EK2?   What capacity are the lipos being used plz.
Bonzey

At this stage Bonzey, if you want competition, go for C2K. There are 16 -30 pilots to fly against rather than 1 maybe 2 in e2k

would there be anywhere to find the full size plan of the Jasper on the E2K web site instead of the A4 size plan or a plan for a C2K model please, me and Bonzey are thinking about avin' ago.

I think the class you pick is up to you.

If you want the hassle of setting up an IC motor then C2000.

If you want to plug and play it has to be E2K.

Regarding numbers, if you choose E2K you will be racing with the C2000 lads.

Either way you will have great fun.

Hassle? LOL come on Stuart, it's not a F3D motor, it's a standard 25 sized glow. If you can't needle one of those, then there's a problem.

The new ASP 25 has proved to be very good in tests. Even Trevor was impressed when comparing it to his standard irvines!!

At this stage Bonzey, if you want competition, go for C2K. There are 16 -30 pilots to fly against rather than 1 maybe 2 in e2k
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So, i could come in a vary creditable 3rd then

Bonzey

Only if you got enough rounds in to qualify mate