Author Topic: Are Futaba doing a JR on us? (Read 2922 times)

steamysheep · « **on:** March 17, 2011, 08:22:30 AM »

Seen on another thread...

"Bad news, new FHSS (Air) rx's like the R2006GS will not work with 6EX, 7C, 10CG FASST systems

Good news it looks like they will work with Futaba FG systems like the 8FG and 12FG(awaiting confirmation tomorrow)."

So will Futaba drop support for the 6EX, 7C, 10CG FASST systems, as the new receivers do not seem backward compatible?

Roger · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2011, 08:52:19 AM »

Was talking to a friend in the trade and he suggested that Futaba have brought in the new system to be competitive with Spektrum on prices. They cant get the cost of fasst systems down cheap enough for the average sport modeler. They will continue with Fasst for high end systems. But whether this is "spin" im not sure.

steamysheep · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2011, 09:39:26 AM »

Quote from: Roger on March 17, 2011, 08:52:19 AM

Was talking to a friend in the trade and he suggested that Futaba have brought in the new system to be competitive with Spektrum on prices. They cant get the cost of fasst systems down cheap enough for the average sport modeler. They will continue with Fasst for high end systems. But whether this is "spin" im not sure.

I have heard the same from a friend of a member of trade too.

phil485 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:00:01 AM »

I've got a horrible feeling that we may be going down a very expensive route with all brands of Radio. The stability of product that we had with 35Mhz was great for users but I don't think the Manufacturers are so keen for us to go back to those days. The systems will be seen as much more disposable with upgrades and changes to systems. It may settle in a couple of years but I think the advances in the technology will drive the manufacturers on and we will have no choice but to follow.

ollie · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:16:56 AM »

as long as they still support fasst as i have a 10cg and i would not want to change it.
i cant see them not supporting it.

phil485 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:24:47 AM »

The cynical pessimist in me says the systems will be supported for 4 to 5 years then be supersceded.
No fact in this just gut feeling

ollie · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:27:37 AM »

4 to 5 years is ok as i would look to buy a new tx by then

FrankS · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:29:41 AM »

Quote from: ollie on March 17, 2011, 10:27:37 AM

4 to 5 years is ok as i would look to buy a new tx by then

But it would be a b****r if myou had to replace all your Rxs as well.

ollie · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:35:32 AM »

thats true, maybe you could send the tx back to be upgraded so it could run both rx
now that would be good.

steamysheep · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:41:06 AM »

Could this be a reason to go to Multiplex as they have a long tradition of upgrades and supporting their customers....

Harry formerly mpx · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:43:30 AM »

Bit of a bummer, but Futaba is confirming it. Take a look at the link below (claims to be Futaba but is actually the US importer of Futaba) which clearly shows 2 different 2.4Ghz systems, FASST and FHSS. Click on the R2004GF rx and read the following -
"COMMENTS: This receiver does not work with the Futaba FASST system. Use only
with the Futaba 4YF 2.4GHz FHSS system. Futaba FASST systems and
FHSS systems are not compatible with each other."

http://www.futaba-rc.com/receivers/air.html

ollie · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2011, 10:44:17 AM »

i have always been futaba and i personally would not change.

FrankS · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2011, 13:07:42 PM »

Quote from: ollie on March 17, 2011, 10:44:17 AM

i have always been futaba and i personally would not change.

I have always been futaba/digifleet/digifleet/futaba/multiplex/spektrum................

Maybe a Jeti system next time......................

PS the most relable systems out of all the above was my Fleet PCM 7 which never let me down in the 10+ years I used it. Its only given up now because I didn't keep the batteries charged up.

satinet · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2011, 13:17:36 PM »

Seems like a low cost system rather than a replacement for FASST?

http://www.futaba-rc.com/systems/futk4200.html

Skyleader · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2011, 13:40:07 PM »

Quote from: ollie on March 17, 2011, 10:44:17 AM

i have always been futaba and i personally would not change.

Sizzling · « **Reply #15 on:** March 17, 2011, 14:07:37 PM »

Quote from: ollie on March 17, 2011, 10:44:17 AM

i have always been futaba and i personally would not change.

I had been a Futaba user for 20 years till I went to a DSX9 just over 2 years ago. It's a very good setup, the programing in close to the 9ZAP but not quite as powerful. How you do everything is very different though, a bit like the difference between a PC and a Mac

ollie · « **Reply #16 on:** March 17, 2011, 15:46:18 PM »

yes they are good my mate had a 35meg one but he went back to futaba when he changed to 2.4.
i think it was the satellites that changed his mind.

Mudders · « **Reply #17 on:** March 17, 2011, 17:00:07 PM »

Quote from: stueysheep on March 17, 2011, 09:39:26 AM

I have heard the same from a friend of a member of trade too.

I hate to say I told you so some weeks ago but...

Muds

Duncan · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2011, 20:18:21 PM »

Funny how different peoples minds work. It was having the satellites that made me leave Futaba. The ability to position several rx's around the model seemed like a good idea to me.

satinet · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2011, 20:37:03 PM »

the ability isn't the same as the necessity though.

SteveBB · « **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2011, 20:51:04 PM »

Quote from: FrankS on March 17, 2011, 13:07:42 PM

Maybe a Jeti system next time......................

I don't think you'll be the only one Frank. If Jeti produce a 12 and a 16 channel, it wouldn't surprise me if they cleaned up the top end market, especially if the price is kept reasonable and not stupid money like the 12 ch JR 2.4 was.

Sizzling · « **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2011, 20:55:55 PM »

Quote from: satinet on March 17, 2011, 20:37:03 PM

the ability isn't the same as the necessity though.

Needing aerial diversity is a result of using 2.4 Ghz and not how the band is used by each brand. Futaba chose to use aerials on a long leads where Spektrum used remote receivers, it could be argued Futaba took the cheap option

Steve J · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2011, 21:00:00 PM »

Quote from: satinet on March 17, 2011, 13:17:36 PM

Seems like a low cost system rather than a replacement for FASST?

But the 6 channel FHSS transmitter (inc. receiver) is a bit more expensive than a FASST 6EX (inc. receiver)

. This move by Futaba makes no sense to me.

Steve

PDR · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2011, 22:26:06 PM »

Peeps - this thread is about two different Futaba systems. If irrelevant posts about a multiplex system were posted you'd be screaming complaints. Can we keep the discussion of the relative merits of other systems to threads where that is the subject?

Much obliged,

PDR

Theaton56 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2011, 03:40:37 AM »

I think the title of the thread is a tad slanderous.

What has JR done exactly ?

MarkLincs · « **Reply #25 on:** March 18, 2011, 03:54:53 AM »

Hum...

Intresting theres only one Tranny supported with this new system:

http://www.futaba-rc.com/systems/futk4200.html

Looks like Futaba are doing a low level entry set up

At No point on the Website Does it Say:

FASST = no more

These new receivers nothing specail really just 3 channel ones to 6 channel.

certianly not going to ditch Futaba here and I have the 12FG and I'm not going to panic about these new receiver options.

Or go down the route of it means Futaba are now doing this or doing that. that just creates stupid rumors

JohnB · « **Reply #26 on:** March 18, 2011, 06:06:08 AM »

Quote from: Theaton56 on March 18, 2011, 03:40:37 AM

I think the title of the thread is a tad slanderous.

What has JR done exactly ?

Been very disloyal to it's supporters. This isn't the thread for this discussion, maybe a new thread?

J

steamysheep · « **Reply #27 on:** March 18, 2011, 08:17:23 AM »

Quote from: Theaton56 on March 18, 2011, 03:40:37 AM

I think the title of the thread is a tad slanderous.

What has JR done exactly ?

To me, in the last nine months JR have sold me a Spektrum compatable transmitter that is not upgradable to be fully compatable with the latest Spektrum receivers.

If this is not correct, can you let me know where to send my JR DSX9 for the upgrade so that it will run DSMX (Or whatever the FLA is....

).... And i'll ask the Mods to remove this thread.

Steve J · « **Reply #28 on:** March 18, 2011, 09:01:29 AM »

Quote from: Theaton56 on March 18, 2011, 03:40:37 AM

I think the title of the thread is a tad slanderous.

I must admit it sounds a bit harsh to me. Futaba have only released two incompatible 2.4GHz systems (FASST and FHSS), JR have released three (DSM2, DSMJ and DMSS)

.

Steve

FrankS · « **Reply #29 on:** March 18, 2011, 09:09:05 AM »

But DSM & DSMJ were for different markets.

CF-FZG · « **Reply #30 on:** March 18, 2011, 09:13:27 AM »

Quote from: PDR on March 17, 2011, 22:26:06 PM

Peeps - this thread is about two different Futaba systems. If irrelevant posts about a multiplex system were posted you'd be screaming complaints. Can we keep the discussion of the relative merits of other systems to threads where that is the subject?

Much obliged,

PDR

Well they listened to you for a few hours Pete

Mark

steamysheep · « **Reply #31 on:** March 18, 2011, 09:30:58 AM »

Quote from: CF-FZG on March 18, 2011, 09:13:27 AM

Well they listened to you for a few hours Pete

Mark

As JR is in the title discussion on the activities of both JR and Futaba are valid. Jeti and Muchperplexed aren't...

This is not a knock at JR, in fact it kind of supports what they are doing when Futaba then appear to do something similar.

JR in my view have been the company to be with as they have brought exciting stuff to the market first, but unfortunately the market now is shifting from reliable and long-lasting to be a "features" driven and perhaps throw away environment..

Bit like the car market, you don't upgrade your 2009 Micra, you just buy a new 2011 if you want 20% better fuel consumption from the Nissan Baby...

Perhaps Muchperplexed should also be included in the discussion as will they move on without leaving an upgrade path for their sets that are less than 6 months old?

FrankS · « **Reply #32 on:** March 18, 2011, 23:09:10 PM »

Quote from: MarkLincs on March 18, 2011, 03:54:53 AM

Hum...

Intresting theres only one Tranny supported with this new system:

http://www.futaba-rc.com/systems/futk4200.html

Looks like Futaba are doing a low level entry set up

At No point on the Website Does it Say:

FASST = no more

These new receivers nothing specail really just 3 channel ones to 6 channel.

certianly not going to ditch Futaba here and I have the 12FG and I'm not going to panic about these new receiver options.

Or go down the route of it means Futaba are now doing this or doing that. that just creates stupid rumors

I see Ripmax showed the new 6ch Tx at Nuremburg, styled like the 8FG and seems a higher spec than the current 6EX, 15 model memories.

Chris Channon · « **Reply #33 on:** April 14, 2011, 17:02:17 PM »

Quote from: Duncan on March 17, 2011, 20:18:21 PM

Funny how different peoples minds work. It was having the satellites that made me leave Futaba. The ability to position several rx's around the model seemed like a good idea to me.

Please do not take this the wrong way, but why would you be happy having to buy a Rx then buy a number of satellite rx's just to make a model work ? we were all happy with 35 megs and just one Rx, it very rarely went wrong.
Futaba just use the one Rx and it works wel,l just one thing to buy, not multiple.
I have two sets of Futaba 2.4, and to be honest i do not trust the 2.4 stuff one little bit, lost two models through no fault of my own and seen both heli and fixed wing on Spekky fail, back to 35 for me !
Regards
Chris

Duncan · « **Reply #34 on:** April 14, 2011, 20:07:27 PM »

No worries, everyone has an opinion and a reason for the way they do things.

All my RX's came with at least one remote rx, so not always a case of having to buy more. I know the 7000 needs a remote rx attached in order to bind, but I've used some of the others rx's in the range without using a remote and not had any problems. The price of the spektrum receivers is another bonus compared to the competition, but I can see that changing as the other brands become more competitive.

FlyinBrian · « **Reply #35 on:** April 14, 2011, 21:06:36 PM »

Quote from: stueysheep on March 18, 2011, 09:30:58 AM

Perhaps Muchperplexed should also be included in the discussion as will they move on without leaving an upgrade path for their sets that are less than 6 months old?

I no longer use MPX but owned a 3030 for 8+ years - It worked, full stop!.

Multiplex have a history of supporting existing customers, even 20 year old Txs can be 2.4gig enabled so I doubt they will move on as you suggest.

I now have a JR DSX9 which looks to be obsolescent after 18 months

Mole Hunter · « **Reply #36 on:** April 14, 2011, 22:13:11 PM »

I'm currently in the process of jumping ship to Futaba since the news on the 8FG.....

VinceHaworth · « **Reply #37 on:** April 16, 2011, 21:33:58 PM »

One way to 'futureproof' your Tx is to get one with a removable RF module. That way, no matter what the Tx manufacturer does to try and 'lock you in' or make a system obsolete you can always revert to 35mhz or FrSky module.

Another good reason for me to keep hold of my trusty Futaba FF9 super.

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