Topic: The New D60 Thread

Still need to sort a switch out for my D60.

Any suggestions.  Magnetic, jackswitch ??

Just unbolt the wing and do it mate. Keeps it safe and simple. I just use an mpx plug.

Z

Still need to sort a switch out for my D60.

Any suggestions.  Magnetic, jackswitch ??

If you're planning high-G DS manoeuvres, you'll need a decent switch, or one not affected by mechanical forces.

I'd be looking at the MOSFET switches that are actively switched 'off' and fail to 'on'. That way you only need to have a main switch arrangement that makes a connection when you want the plane to be 'off'. Could be a switch, or a power socket, or a jumper with a 'remove before flight' label attached, whatever you like.

Still need to sort a switch out for my D60.

Any suggestions.  Magnetic, jackswitch ??

Regular switch bonded across tray, with corresponding small hole in fuz each side for insertion of wire rod to switch on & off?
(Backing each hole internally with a small 'cone' of resin/microballoon/fibre bits cured with greased rod inserted will both strengthen surround and guide rod to switch).

If I had to pick any of the above, other than a non-switch, I would go with Graham's suggestion.

Speaking of which! How's yours going, Mr Deckit?  Any fresh inspiration from down under?

Z

Just spent the day clearing-out the garage, so I can move in there.
Servos to hand (DES 448 all round) & about to be bench tested.

So I'll soon be extracting the Tracy Emine feature from inside the fuz etc, & getting on with the build.
Looking forward to this one.

Hey Graham

Not sure if anyone sent you the build instructions yet mate - I may have forgotten to send them to Tony in the first place! Anyway, now emailed to you - hopefully they will help smooth out the build - anyone else requiring them, please get in touch with Tony (he has them now) or myself and we will gladly forward them on.

Cheers!

Z

New D60 world record today from Joe Manor at 360mph!

Hopefully Joe will chime in on here with details of the model weight etc.

Z

What a fun day to get back out on the hill. Got to Weldon around 10am and still had to top off all my batteries. Watched a few guys fly and saw bruce go I think around 350 with his D80 and the conditions looked to be getting better. I was excited about flying the D130 but was uncommonly nervous as I havent flown in several months and opted to maiden my new D60 so I could get my mojo back. Somedays I can feel rusty and others not but the model felt great and the air was smooth. Any rust went away after a couple laps as the model accelerated into the 300's it was all about ninja mode. Hit 346 I think and knew it was a new record. put a couple more laps in and cracked 360. The visibility was horrible and I could barely see the model and could not keep my bank angle in order as accurately as I would have liked. I thought I should land and wait for the better air and visibility to come. It never came. I really think I can get this model to 400+ this season. It is a tall order but when it's going round in the mid 300's with zero control issues it really isnt that difficult to fly. another 50mph is definitely doable.

I have built many D60's to get the wingloading and load distribution just right. I know that many of you do not agree with the way I fit out my models but I can assure you that I have done lots of flight testing in different conditions and the D60 needs 10oz per tip to be the best. My AUW is anywhere from 100-110oz. This one I think was 110oz. The lead needs to be in the tips. Not in between the servos. Makes a big difference. Also, a lighter D60 might go fast on a good day but never as fast as one that has the optimum wingloading. For example, Bruce was flying his light 70oz. D60 a lot that day. His speeds were not even close. Had I handed over my heavier model he would have been right there with me. Maybe a constant 40mph difference in speeds between the two different wingloadings in similar conditions. Have seen it time and time again. This is not an opinion but a fact. Im not sharing this to contradict anyone here but Im really trying to help you guys get the most from your Dynamics. I know the model better than anyone and want everyone to enjoy them as much as I do. Thanks for all the support and I look forward to seeing more D60 speeds from everyone. Load them up fellas!

Congrats on the new 60 speed Joe.
   but could it not be that you have found the optimum D60 weight / ballast positions for your style of flying, on your hills in your climate? It's just that I have always felt that I ruined my 2nd D80 by adding tip ballast, it just feels such a pig to fly now, and my empty (60oz) d60 was always faster than any other d60 on the same day that had tip ballast. I'm not saying you have it wrong, quite the opposite, but you telling me to "load it up" is quite frustrating.

   Adam.

Congrats on the new 60 speed Joe.
   but could it not be that you have found the optimum D60 weight / ballast positions for your style of flying, on your hills in your climate?

No. Makes no difference. Well, flying style makes a difference in speed so ultimately if one is not flying similarly to the guys that go fast then that will need to be implemented as well. You dont have that problem Adam. I know you are a good pilot. Climate and flying style dont matter. Wind velocity does. If it's steady 40+ load it up. Not trying to frustrate you. Just believe Adam.

Congrats on the new 60 speed Joe.
   but could it not be that you have found the optimum D60 weight / ballast positions for your style of flying, on your hills in your climate? It's just that I have always felt that I ruined my 2nd D80 by adding tip ballast, it just feels such a pig to fly now, and my empty (60oz) d60 was always faster than any other d60 on the same day that had tip ballast. I'm not saying you have it wrong, quite the opposite, but you telling me to "load it up" is quite frustrating.

   Adam.

Adam, not trying to take a dig at anyone's flying with this remark - quite the opposite in fact - but I don't think that your light D60 going quicker than other pilot's heavier ones on the same day is anything to do with the weight - I don't think that anyone flying D60s then were as capable a DS pilot as you, so I tend to think that the fact that you always went quicker was much more to do with your flying than the weight of their models. But what could you have done with a loaded D60 on that day when you did 271 with it empty? Who knows... but great flying on that run regardless!

I do think that Kiwi Steve is showing what a loaded D60 can do pretty well now though. For me, I like my D80 better with the tipweight.

But the biggest problem we face is the lack of 40+mph days! Be nice to have a few more of them regardless of the weights of our models!! (oh and on weekends too  )

Z

Blimey, hadn't realised the 271 was with the non-span loaded machine.
That's mind-boggling.
Thought it was done with the heavy one Adam sold to Geordieland.

Zim has a fair point, the span-loaded machine would surely have gone (a lot) faster.

Even though Kiwi Steve's loaded D60 (recall about 8 oz per side) flies in very little air, think I'll be settling for less for UK conditions.

Regular switch bonded across tray, with corresponding small hole in fuz each side for insertion of wire rod to switch on & off?
(Backing each hole internally with a small 'cone' of resin/microballoon/fibre bits cured with greased rod inserted will both strengthen surround and guide rod to switch).

http://www.rcmf.co.uk/4um/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82316.0;attach=100650;image
Like this

http://www.rcmf.co.uk/4um/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82316.0;attach=100650;image
Like this

http://www.rcmf.co.uk/4um/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82316.0;attach=100652;image
http://www.rcmf.co.uk/4um/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82316.0;attach=100648;image

Something like that.

Except I can't afford that much epoxy

Well, it ain't gonna move

Something like that.

Except I can't afford that much epoxy

Just a dab at each end of a brass tube to guide the on/off wire is plenty

Been thinking about this switch thing. I really like that my Dynamics have no switches/ holes etc in them. I use mpx plugs as the power on thing. But when I reflect on it, I quite enjoy the fact that I have a couple of minutes of quiet time plugging in the wing looms, then the power loom, before bolting the wing on and making sure that everything is well and good.

I find that especially when flying them very heavy, I like to have a couple of "deep breath" minutes before launch. I've seen the D60s fly light and certainly they are very relaxed to fly frontside in that state. But when they are being flown very heavy, even the cruise speed is seriously pacey, and once launched, I find the whole flight needs focus!

It's a funny thing this weight issue. It's good to see people discussing it again, and voicing opinions in a relaxed way. The D80, flown at around 190-200oz starts to feel like it is really grippy and grooving with that "on rails" feeling at around 220-230. The D60 at the weight that mine is at empty (84oz) starts to get that awesome locked in feel at around 150. It's hard to describe, but it basically feels like the model suddenly feels like it woke up fully and is lightning to respond to any input. The downside to that responsiveness is that rates need to be right as the model loses a slightly soft feel around the centres and becomes razor sharp. When the speed is piling on, you can get too much of a good thing in terms of razor sharp responsiveness!

The more weight that one puts into the model, the higher up the speed range this change in feeling happens. Whether you prefer the model to "wake up" fully early in the speed range or later is probably where the preferences come in. I fancy that one of the things we face here is that we quite rarely get conditions which enable us to enjoy speeds consistently over 250, and so one can come to like the "wake up" feeling earlier in the speed range, simply as the models feel more exciting to fly once they reach this state. But for ultimate speed, I think that this "wake up" feeling needs to come as close to the target speed as possible. If you're too heavy for the day, though, you might not wind it up to this point as the speed will come on not quite as quick. One of the things I learned as I gradually became slightly less shoite at pylon racing when I was doing that is that a well set-up racer feels pretty soft to fly, not at all the firebreathing monster you would expect when you see them zipping round the pylons. They are set up for racing not for "saves". Although expo rather than soley rates has a part to play in achieving a good compromise between these two extremes.

Ah anyway... now I'm just rambling rather than really sharing facts. In the absence of any good DS for far too long, I'm afraid the odd ramble on a thread like this is the closest I can get to a fix, as I do love to think about the mechanics of DS and the set-up of the models etc. Certainly always enjoy listening to others put forward their set-ups and reasons for them, so I offer the above purely in that speculative musing spirit!

Bedtime - night night all 

Z

Why not add a bit (more) of expo on your fast DS rates, to soften any over-sensitivity at the stick(s)?

As for the weather, 2011 has got to have been, so far, the worst year hereabouts for DS.
Offhand, can only recall on big day in the PD, & that was not at Rushup.
Can't even remember the last big day at RE.

Been a few good cruising days though, like last Friday, which attracted a surprising number of job escapees

Why not add a bit (more) of expo on your fast DS rates, to soften any over-sensitivity at the stick(s)?

As for the weather, 2011 has got to have been, so far, the worst year hereabouts for DS.
Offhand, can only recall on big day in the PD, & that was not at Rushup.
Can't even remember the last big day at RE.

Been a few good cruising days though, like last Friday, which attracted a surprising number of job escapees

Think i know which "big day in the PD,& that was not at Rushup" you are referring to G,  infact im still repairing the carnage to this day

Anyway, i now have a shiny new spare D60 so feel like i wont be as nervous dsing the old one , which can only be a good thing !!

Why not add a bit (more) of expo on your fast DS rates, to soften any over-sensitivity at the stick(s)?

As for the weather, 2011 has got to have been, so far, the worst year hereabouts for DS.
Offhand, can only recall on big day in the PD, & that was not at Rushup.
Can't even remember the last big day at RE.

Been a few good cruising days though, like last Friday, which attracted a surprising number of job escapees

Hi Graham

Yes, expo is the answer, along with rates. But it's a sliding scale - a setting that feels comfortable at 300 will probably feel a little hot at 350 (hopefully one day I'll find out ) - hence my remark that one should aim for a set-up that works at the target speed rather than one that feels optimised in the conditions that we usually enjoy! Of course with modern radios and multiple flight modes, this is very easy to achieve.

Z

Some of us have to live without a variety of flight modes

Still, have rates.
If only the FF9 had another triple switch, I'd be content.

So, Simon is going from Balistik/Scalie DS to a D130.
Surely, that leap has got to be a record.

Some of us have to live without a variety of flight modes

Still, have rates.
If only the FF9 had another triple switch, I'd be content.

So, Simon is going from Balistik/Scalie DS to a D130.
Surely, that leap has got to be a record.

Well I think he's DSed most of his hangar now. I remember him doing some fairly neat aeros with his Predator on the back a while back.

Anyway, I just wait to see two on the same hill in the UK alongside some of the other incredible hardware that's been landing over here in the last year or so. That will be something else to see. Hopefully the excitement will last until the D250 comes out.

Z

Is that the one before the D500?

It'll be onboard piloting before long.
Nah, got to be able to pull a tad more than 5g...........

LOL was only kidding. Was just reading about Jason Lilly's TM200 again. Man... Serious!

Z

Think i know which "big day in the PD,& that was not at Rushup" you are referring to G,  infact im still repairing the carnage to this day

Anyway, i now have a shiny new spare D60 so feel like i wont be as nervous dsing the old one , which can only be a good thing !

Good you have a spare, now you can thrash the old one!
Have taken delivery of mine & it's build will have priority once my current build (gyro M60) is complete.
Hope to see you at RE soon. Perhaps tomorrow?

Looks promising for tomorrow G,  but a 3hr round trip to RE and back when the daylight hours are so short means i will have to give it a miss unfortunately, besides it will be the old D60 first day out after the rebuild  so i would rather just fly frontside first and make sure everything is ok.

Could sure do with a bit of ds action, its been 2-3months since the last outing 

By the way did you see RE on ITV last night? There was a 1hr prog all about activities in the PD and the presenter spent a fair bit of time in a microlight flying over RE and MT.

Think i may have overdone it with abreviations tonight

yep,i saw it,was all over winnits pass,trecliffe,re and mt was great i rang ron but he was already watching it

yep,i saw it,was all over winnits pass,trecliffe,re and mt was great i rang ron but he was already watching it

Damn, missed it.

Pleased it didn't feature furious wee planes screaming past a microlight.

Damn, missed it.

Pleased it didn't feature furious wee planes screaming past a microlight.

http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=290424

on-line tv is a lovely thing

Damn, missed it.

Pleased it didn't feature furious wee planes screaming past a microlight.

pity we were not all flyin that day graham,but he said there was" no wind",makes me feel lucky i have all that on the doorstep

pity we were not all flyin that day graham,but he said there was" no wind",makes me feel lucky i have all that on the doorstep

Too true, Mark.
Better pencil in next Tuesday...........

Three proud members of the D60 owners club !
Two with non standard Flourescent paint jobs

No smiles sadly....................but all very happy with the product. 

Nice photo! Looks like fun. A D60 fest.

Well finally got my D60 DS maiden on youtube (last November Whumpcrump).  As you can see my line wasn't that great but it was significantly quicker than any foamie I'd Ds'd and my heart was beating rather quickly!!

Dave the "Smash" Rumble, DSing at Wruuuucrump.

Nice one Dave.
  Looks like you ready for a Kinetic 100.  A nice blue and white one.

Nice one Dave.
  Looks like you ready for a Kinetic 100.  A nice blue and white one.

I've got a 2nd D60 when I eventually total this one!

Releasing funds for FPV then?  I'm quite tempted but finding the time maybe an issue

Nice one Dave. Good to see you DSing WC. Looks nice.

Z

Adam - referring back to your D60's 271mph with non-spanloaded wing, was any ballast being carried in the fuz?

Adam - referring back to your D60's 271mph with non-spanloaded wing, was any ballast being carried in the fuz?

 I had 2 of the 5 brass plates in the fuse. So around 300gram.