Topic: Winch But Which

Hello Guys,

Im thinking of buying a competition winch for F3J Gliders but un-sure which would be the Rolls Royce of winch's  and best place to buy???

Go get yourself a Oberflug Modellbau F3B winch, there pretty good
6 Month lead time mind.

I know a few places for f3b winches, but don't know about J. I think they usually use a smaller drum than the b winches, because of the shorter line.

Maybe talk to someone on the scene like acemodels.
Ober definitely do a J winch as Jon says.

I think a few people use the B winch in the competitions i do,like you say i think it's the drum and does the B winch have slighly more power 

all winches for comp use should be limited in power according to the rules.
The nice thing about the ober is that is achieves this without the need of an external resistor.
My winch also does this, and so do the hayley style winches.
Mine I think is fitted with a 1.1Kw Bosch Motor.

I think a few people use the B winch in the competitions i do,like you say i think it's the drum and does the B winch have slighly more power 

I don't know if the B winch has more power - I haven't read the j rules. 
The people you really want to be talking are the people flying J, I reckon.

The obvious difference between J and b is that J uses 300m lines and B uses 400m lines.  I suspect the turnaround might not need to be as beefy on a j line length.

Yeh maybe a few more people will come forward 

Think i would be looking to buy in this country to be honest aswell 

well I think you can forget part 2 unless you count buying second hand as buying in this country.

If your buying second hand from the UK either try and find someone with a hayley winch they are willing to let go of (Not likely to find one of those on the market.) or find an Ober winch.

Make sure you only buy one winch and make sure its a good one.

If I was just doing open F3J type events then I would get an F3B Ober winch IMHO.
Jon

If your buying second hand from the UK either try and find someone with a hayley winch they are willing to let go of (Not likely to find one of those on the market.)

I wonder if anyone has got 1 there thinking of selling ... how much new are Hayley ?

Expect to pay at least 550 to 700 upwards for a second hand Hayley winch if you can find someone that has one thats willing to let it go.
I very much doubt that you can get a new hayley winch now.
Along with some gliders they are effectively F3B winch unobtainium.

Get a Ober on order, I was lucky with the winch I got and its not an ober or hayley either

Hi Jas
IMO The "Rolls Royce" would be either an Ober or a Fluhs
Do you really need to spend 1,000 euro for your winch though? There have been a lot of secondhand sales of Eynhallow and similar popwer winches that would be perfectly acceptable in local/national F3J events that would only lose out on "dead air" days....
If money is no problem get the Fluhs or an Ober by all means but perhaps a couple of visits to the comps you intend to compete in first and a good inquisition of the other competitors might help. They often still have their old winches they have replaced with their RR ones still in their sheds/workshops for sport use
Also, don't forget you'll need top quality winch lines as well - worth having a word with Austin at Acemodel mebbee.......
Good luck with the search
Pete

Expect to pay at least 550 to 700 upwards for a second hand Hayley winch if you can find someone that has one thats willing to let it go.
I very much doubt that you can get a new hayley winch now.
Along with some gliders they are effectively F3B winch unobtainium.

Get a Ober on order, I was lucky with the winch I got and its not an ober or hayley either

Is it a Bill Hayley winch ?

I think the Haleys still fly on the Guisborough club fields at Kirklethem.  Might be worth seeing if you can contact them through the club.

Maybe worth giving the club sec a call...

http://www.guisboroughmfc.co.uk/contact.html

You might find the best place to ask is on the F3B UK yahoo group through which most of the F3B community communicate, including the Haleys (join to post)
The newsgroup is F3BUK@yahoogroups.com

Pete

Give Mick Thorpe at Thortech Model Engineering a call on 01733 331031 and tell him I sent you.  Mick makes winches to order and to your spec.  Has to be worth a try and I know he's very good value.

Thats handy, he maybe able to copy the hayley design.

F3j or F3b, it makes no odds, the winch is the same. Drum width is usually 200mm or 250mm and minimum internal drum diameter usually starts at 45mm or 50mm and can be packed out with slide-on piping or clam shells to get the right diameter for the conditions.

Bear in mind if you are thinking of domestic UK F3j competitions then the overall system is checked for compliance (ie winch + battery) to make it user friendly. You can run a larger cranking battery if the motor is resistored down. International FAI regs is hand tow only so no winches allowed.

For F3b, both domestic and international FAI, you need a legal battery first (500SAE) and then the motor has to be resistored to the legal limit.

You won't get a brand new commercial winch from the UK. I wouldn't try and chase a Hayley winch either (although good). The best winch to get new is from Ober (EW4 best or EW3 is okay). You can look for a 2nd hand Hollenbeck winch which is excellent but not made anymore. Other good winches are the SwedeWinch, Airstrike (from Oz) or WinchNZ (New Zealand) but not all are practical in terms of aquiring new. Maybe try Fluhs or Walter Reist?

I've had a Bernie (he makes the fastest winches in the West) Sizer WInch for around 2yrs now and it's as strong as an Ober.
Did a comparo last week between mine and John Skinner's Ober and there's not much in it; the Ober did have a 800CCA calcium truck battery driving it vs 600CCA calcium.

http://www.nnewinches.com.au

Still, freight from OZ would be nasty I guess. So +1 for the Ober.

Chris.

Yeh i was trying to get away from postage cost's .... so that's why i was looking to buy in the u.k 

What do people think of this winch  http://www.gliders.uk.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G804

I think the Haleys still fly on the Guisborough club fields at Kirklethem.  Might be worth seeing if you can contact them through the club.

Maybe worth giving the club sec a call...

http://www.guisboroughmfc.co.uk/contact.html

Emailed the club and they have no idea of the Hayleys 

See reply 14

You won't get a hayley winch imho. Not really worth persuing.

You won't get a hayley winch imho. Not really worth persuing.

Hello i did find someone selling 1 as he was not using it but i think he's having 2cd thoughts has iv only had 1 email back from him and no more,so he must have changed his mind 

Iv now register on the Yahoo Site 

Colin Lucas was selling off his winch at the last F3j nationals so may be worth a try at colindlucas@hotmail.com. I hope that e-mail still works for him.

Another option may be to contact someone in the Malvern Soaring Association as they are having a number of winches professionally built for them. I've not seen one but they know what they are doing. Best contacts are Mike Grantham and Steve Hannon.

Finally, it may be wise not to go for the Graupner winch. It has a reputation for poor electrics and burning out solonoids if used as an F3b/F3j winch.

Blue skies

Neil

Colin Lucas was selling off his winch at the last F3j nationals so may be worth a try at colindlucas@hotmail.com. I hope that e-mail still works for him.

Another option may be to contact someone in the Malvern Soaring Association as they are having a number of winches professionally built for them. I've not seen one but they know what they are doing. Best contacts are Mike Grantham and Steve Hannon.

Finally, it may be wise not to go for the Graupner winch. It has a reputation for poor electrics and burning out solonoids if used as an F3b/F3j winch.

Blue skies

Neil

Hello Neil,

Colin has just emailed me regards the winch .... have you seen it is it a own design do you know ??

I only briefly saw it and didn't take an awful lot of notice when I did, sorry.

It definitely wasn't a commercial winch but looked perfectly suitable and well up to the job. What I did notice was that it was set wheels which is useful.

I've known Colin for mega years and you should be just fine. It's whether you like the look of it and the price etc..

Yeh i have email Colin so see what he comes back with 

Thats handy, he maybe able to copy the hayley design.

Is this a Hayley winch ?

No its not, unless its a very early design.
Did you have a look on the barcs forum ?, there are two hollenbecks for sale at 500 each.
Stonking winch for that cash.
J

No its not, unless its a very early design.
Did you have a look on the barcs forum ?, there are two hollenbecks for sale at 500 each.
Stonking winch for that cash.
J

Hello yes i did see them and iv been in contact with regards about them,but i was not sure if that was a good price or not for them 

Price is fine,well worth the money, and you won't get a better or more proven and established competition F3b winch than a Hollenbeck. It is also perfect for F3j, sport flying, and everything you can think of and provided is kept in good nick will always be worth good money if you decide to sell it.

With 2 available, it is an ideal opportunity to get a good specification competition winch at a realistic price. Delay too long and you'll end up with nothing or on the 6 month Ober waiting list who will relieve you of close to £1K.

Might just get one myself   

I have one. Seems as good as the other winches on the flight line. You will need a decent turn around and batteries of course.

if you are quick... there are these two winches..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F3J-F3B-Model-Glider-Winch-x-2-Electric-hand-pulley-accessories-/180725535981?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item2a1414d4ed

Thanks for the link 

Yeh im watching them in my Ebay but to be honest im thinking about the Hollenbeck 

Get the hollenbeck.
There really decent winches.
One rule for winch buying, and that's buy once.
Jon
P.s I wish that i had a spare 500 and ill get one on them as a spare.

Yeh iv asked if he would move on price a bit but the reply was NO WAY 

Move on the price ?
You were joking ?
You'll never find another set of hollenbecks for a grand.
Considering obers are now 1400€ delivered new.
Don't p1ss around, there excellent value.

I would buy a spare if I had the cash.

Move on the price ?
You were joking ?
You'll never find another set of hollenbecks for a grand.
Considering obers are now 1400€ delivered new.
Don't p1ss around, there excellent value.

Yeh i know your right,but there still 2cd hand and could be a fault with them ..... and it's always nice to get a bit of cash off lol if you don't try you don't know  i can't afford both anyone want to buy the other