Topic: Looking for high wind slope wing - any ideas?

Most of the stuff I have in my garage is designed for low to medium wind flat/slope flying. But now that winter is here I'm looking for something that will fly in a hoolie without breaking the bank and is still fun to fly.

I appreciate that it pretty much an open question as skill level, personal preference and masses of other factors come into this but it would still be good to hear other peoples views.

Something foam, built heavy.
E.g M60 with laminating film covering and big ballast tube.


D60 if budget allows.

Something foam, built heavy.

I like that, just up my street

I did look at a couple of NCFM planks but couldn't make my mind up which I would go for.

Mainly because I have no idea what they are, who they are or how capable they are.

I quite like the Moth

ncfm - They are all good.

There are a few good foamies around. Gulp, jw, reaper etc.

Thing is you can build them as heavy as you want with plenty of ballast.

Btw if you do get an ncfm plane I would consider making your own ballast tube. The 13oz of the kit is not much on big days.

The m60 carves up more sky than the moth.

wowings booby?

Booby on the Crest

I have a Gulp SR with ballast tubes in the wing and fuselage. I've flown that in very high winds/lift and it copes well. It also has the added bouncability of EPP for the inevitable hard landing in those conditions too.

Gulp G-V-60. Like a m60 (but hetter) with a vtail. Mine is great.

Thats it! Love the Gulp line.

Will call my flying buddy tomorrow - he was talking of mouldies and this seems to really fit the bill...

pretty much any of the tougher 60" racers,covered in lam film will cope with up to 50mph winds,or as tom says a d60,opus.opus gt etc etc

Thats it! Love the Gulp line.

Will call my flying buddy tomorrow - he was talking of mouldies and this seems to really fit the bill...

The black model you saw me flying at St Agnes last Sunday was a GS-48T with its belly full of lead, All of Steve Drakes models fly great, BUT they are not the easiest or quickest to build dont think its a 2 day job. You might want to go for something a little quicker to get hold of and finish for this winter. Keep your eye out for secondhand ones on the BMFA or on here. I was in the same position as you last year so I put an add on the BMFA for a wanted 60inch racer, and was flying a Hoodlum by the end of the week, not the best I know, but ive flown it in 50 mph winds at Staggie ballested right up and it only cost £35 with the servos.

yeah the Steve Drake stuff is a bit involved.  The gv-60 has a bit of a reputation for the tail breaking off.
I would go for something tough and survivable if you want to keep the cost down.  It depends where you fly though of course - landings can be difficult in really big conditions on some hills (e.g rotor).

I've flown my standard m60 in about 50mph (full ballast) along side a gulp and booby - all could handle it fine, but I would build it a bit heavier if it was a model to be flown when the air is big. 

I've had an m60 and a gv60. The gv60 is far superior due to the tail IMO. No longer a plank. A proper aircraft. The m60 has a reputation for breaking behind the fuse. Tje m60 has a reputation for being a pig to set up. Steve drake models including the standard gulp not so much. Another thing - you can get nfcm from t9, gulps require a cash in envelope import. How about a bluto? Pricey tho.

I wouldn't bother with the GV-60 as I see only disadvantages. The standard Gulp SR flies like a 'proper' glider due it's nice long fuselage and moment arms which tend to 'damp' out the pitch sensitivity. They groove in a way the M60 does not.

The build is a little involved due to the double taper wing and the odd way of joining the centre panels together.
If you want to avoid this then also consider the Gulp DS that has just a two panel tapered wing and while probably not quite as fast as the SR you can probably ballast it up even more due to the thicker section.

I hope you realise you've been wasting your time with planks all this time Dave!

Plenty of 'normal' gliders in my hangar Tom and they get just as much airtime as my planks.

I think you love planks or hate them. Personally I don't like them, but then others would live them. Lucky we have such a diverse hobby to keep us experimenting and entertained!

I still have my thorn waiting for the next big session. 
Pretty quick model!

My GV60.
It's the smaller blue one of course.



Btw the asw should fly in 40 mph on a good hill (like rhossili)

you can get EPP jarts, simple to build and slippery for speed

Nowt wrong with planks, when built right and trimmed out...easy to fly an if its EPP their very durable. Why not contact Ron Broughton an get one of his ARFT epp planks. He'll even tell you the optimum CoG position so not much trimming to do.
Rons near Leicester way, so no import probs. PM Abbof3f on here hes in touch with him

Didnt realise anyone did ARFT planks, thats one of the few problems living in Cornwall, you dont get to know whats "happening". Thanks for the infomation, might have a word with Liftseeker and get a couple.

I've had an m60 and a gv60. The gv60 is far superior due to the tail IMO. No longer a plank. A proper aircraft. The m60 has a reputation for breaking behind the fuse. Tje m60 has a reputation for being a pig to set up. Steve drake models including the standard gulp not so much. Another thing - you can get nfcm from t9, gulps require a cash in envelope import. How about a bluto? Pricey tho.

Since when did the M60 have a reputation for breaking behind the fuse (I presume you mean "wing")?!

Dude you've been pumping this M60 is Carp, GV60 is cool line for a little while now both here and on the BARCS forum and been put straight both here and on there by plenty of experienced people yet you still persist in rubbishing the M60 from your uninformed point of view. I don't really think that's fair on NCFM or T9! Just 'cos you couldn't set up your M60 does not mean they are "a pig to set up". Everyone else is managing it.

I'm not rubbishing the m60. TBH it flew ok. But for me, maybe it wasn't set up, maybe it was, it didn't do it for me.

I'm not rubbishing the m60. TBH it flew ok. But for me, maybe it wasn't set up, maybe it was, it didn't do it for me.

Don't know if you remember our discussion on setting the CofG and you said that using your thumbs was good enough but your M60 maybe a case in point of where the good old thumbs method just isn't good enough. I now set the c of g much more accurately and have been supprised just how much difference a couple of mm can make.

Don't know if you remember our discussion on setting the CofG and you said that using your thumbs was good enough but your M60 maybe a case in point of where the good old thumbs method just isn't good enough. I now set the c of g much more accurately and have been supprised just how much difference a couple of mm can make.

I used a nail balance to set my cg. It was exact. No thumbs. It was built light too. It flew great on rhossili. On our local pimple with bumpy poor air not so. Just personal preference. Maybe I was a bit harsh, it is was a good aeroplane.
Here it is, in light lift.

Summer Flyday Compilation

Since when did the M60 have a reputation for breaking behind the fuse (I presume you mean "wing")?!

Dude you've been pumping this M60 is Carp, GV60 is cool line for a little while now both here and on the BARCS forum and been put straight both here and on there by plenty of experienced people yet you still persist in rubbishing the M60 from your uninformed point of view. I don't really think that's fair on NCFM or T9! Just 'cos you couldn't set up your M60 does not mean they are "a pig to set up". Everyone else is managing it.

M60 set up as per NCFM instruction booklet work just fine, ie a block of wood with knife blades set in it, is a good start for c/g, then search for the sweet spot !.     

Balistik!

+1 to the Balistik!

Mine was just hammering on the Crest on Sunday.

Balistik!

Yep as I said contact Ron

Way off topic - but one of my fave tracks on that vid pilot_jimbo

The video was good too.

I am becoming quite keen on the M60 I have to say - I quite like the Moth too I fancy one of those to bungee off our field.

Found some pics of Ron Broughton planks and they look good too - quite like the polecat - very familiar 

Balistiks are a lot of fun in good lift.  Love the steel bar ballast system.

Had my Polecat out in 50mph wind the other day. Not exactly the best fun (gusty and turbulent inland hill) but it certainly flew pretty well, and that was with only 1/2 ballast in. It doesn't like lighter lift as much as (I understand) the M60 does. Goes fantastically well in good lift, but not a true allrounder in my opinion.
 If I bought another one I would probably go for the lighter wind variant the Copycat. Not flown one but I reckon with ballast it would have a more useable range. Or talk to some of the folk on here who can cut cores etc. (Timinator?)

Lift seeker, thanks. What other planes do you have? It'd be interesting to see what other stuff you have. m60 is an intermediate plank.

If you are flying coastal (which I think you are) the m60 will be good. My best flight with her was at rhossili in gower. After that she never flew the same again/since I was back to my local site :(

She was doing continuous bunts, dead level, straight. Mixed up with eights. Anyway, if you like the moth, get it, less building required, but I would get the 60 inch. Ive seen a moth, impressive energy retention. Uses the m60 wing.

I'm not dissing the m60, it's a good machine, but for me the lack of a split wing, and I use poor inland hills meant I couldn't get the best out it.

The stuff I have is very small but I enjoy flying them

Alula
Flyingwings Reaper
Flyingwings Hawk (which is ace)
Mini Topsky (which is about to have a tail refit)
JP Pretty
Chris Foss middle phase

Oh, and a beat up old Zagi Ive had for years and a Bullet which the mice have nibbled my leading edge off (B**t4rd5)

My absolute fave being the Mini Topsky

afaik the kits of the m60 and the moth are the same other than one is slightly smaller than other. 

This is the one I saw, it was an ubercraft, there is a 48 inch version too.

http://www.t9hobbysport.com/item.asp?catid=102&subcatid=205&prodid=702

Here's their site.

http://www.ubercraft.com/PAGES/UC-Home.html

so a different model then.
moth:
http://www.northcountyflyingmachines.com/aircraft/the-moth

so a different model then.

Yes über, use the same wing but designed a new fuse for each. Not that common over here. It's cheaper to import it. You can get one for 140$.

I like this:

http://www.t9hobbysport.com/item.asp?catid=102&subcatid=204&prodid=610

And prefer it over this:

http://www.t9hobbysport.com/item.asp?catid=102&subcatid=204&prodid=573

But my favourite (non scale) glider of all time is this:
http://www.hyperflight.co.uk/products.asp?code=BLASTER-2

Glider P0rn

You coulda had this. Oops sold already.
http://www.bmfaclassifieds.co.uk/detail.php?id=76012