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the BIG BIG point in favour of this forum is that whenever you need help or advice it is given freely and quickly.
i have in the past asked a question here because i knew i'd get the answer quicker than going up the shed to find out!
I agree with Ian above, I believe forums have become too politically correct, posters now think twice before commenting. When I come on this site the first thing I look at are the recent posts and generally it is full of the 'faithful' indulging in chat not pertaining to RC. Sadly there is no life on here these days, no healthy discussion, no one asking questions for fear of being put down by the 'experts', Such a shame.
I disagree with that, Jetster- I have personally injected advice (be it good or bad) into a number of threads recently, and would like to think that I am helping, at least to ask questions if nothing else. What tends to happen is that there are a lot of posts asking for help with various things, these are usually answered instantly, and within a few minutes, or at least hours, the poster has his answers. End of post. The threads which carry on are like this one at 4 pages, which has a lot of discussion and disagreement (as opposed to argument) and can continue for a long time, and it is these which tend to degenerate into a slagging match. The simple 'asking for help' posts are not usually argumentative. Help, when asked for, is given freely and with no sign of anyone being put down.
Completely agree. I'd be curious to see some examples where people have been 'attacked' for asking questions?Either it happens and I've missed it completely (maybe because I only do gliders and off-topic stuff, and it's all in the building and/or power threads?) - or it doesn't actually happen but there are a significant number of people who are perceiving that it does.In either case we could do with pinning it down and trying to figure it out.
that hits the nail on the head....
I may be wrong, but I don't think it's the posts asking for help which USUALLY cause the problems. It's more often the innocent remarks, frequently from "newbies" (for obvious reasons). For example, when I first became active on here, a guy (new to R/C flight) started to post videos taken from an ARTF. They showed him using a very quiet road to take off and land although his flying was over adjoining fields. This was clearly a stupid thing to be doing. However, instead of gently educating the chap (which some tried) others on here at that time simply slagged him off for his stupidity. Result? He leaves and perhaps is even now, in ignorance, following other dangerous practices - BECAUSE HE KNOWS NO BETTER - Had he stayed he might have become educated and enlightened. Just my thoughts you understand?
For what its worth, everyone's perception is different on a particular subject, so, you may perceive that all is well in a thread yet my perception could be totally different.
I know who you're referring to mate. As you say, some did try to gently persuade him to change his approach, and as I understand it, an offer or two was made for him to join a local club. As I understood it though, he declined or wasn't willing to keep to a few basic rules. Either way, he became a champion of FPV, and I'm sure most here will remember the ding dong that incurred with debate over a certain (since removed) video of an easyglider flying almost five miles away at several thousend feet.
YoyoTwo posts with which I totally agreeMike
And me and you have disagreed on things on the past, too! It reminds me of a day when a neighbour had two young kids who were squabbling and bawling continuously all day long. I asked her how she managed to still be in a relaxed, pleasant mood - she said 'They're having a bad day. I'm not.'People (generally, not just here) need to learn to separate 'having a differing opinion' from 'attacking everything you stand for, including your very existence'.
I'm also compellled to point something out, which ought to be blindingly obvious, but which does need saying, a community like this one evolves over time and the dramatis personae will change over time. However, in most cases, there will be a hard core of regulars who are happy with the "feel" of the place and how it works. That, presumably is why they are there and why they post.There is a very real danger, in attempting to make a forum all things to all men, that you lose that and end up with nothing. It is all to easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater, chasing the elusive new transient members who, mysteriously, are alleged to have been somehow scared away, but whom, it is assumed, would otherwise have become prolific contributors.
I have to agree with SteveBB, Yoyo and Leccy's posts above. There is no perfect solution, but without the aid of "body language" we have to be slightly more careful with online newbies to a forum like this than we do with new club members. Oh, and thanks to all for the welcome I received and the assistance I get from this forum on an almost daily basis!
Presumably as the last half dozen posters on here are 'regulars' who post a fair amount, there is a chance that some people might see this thread as 'taken over' and feel intimidated about posting on it now? Personally I can't see how that could happen, but then again that would fit the pattern too.Can I ask anyone that feels that way to at least PM Wiz to say so? I know Wiz is not afraid of being contentious, so please let him make the point for you.Nobody here wants to upset or attack anyone on a personal basis.
For example, when I first became active on here, a guy (new to R/C flight) started to post videos taken from an ARTF. They showed him using a very quiet road to take off and land although his flying was over adjoining fields. This was clearly a stupid thing to be doing. However, instead of gently educating the chap (which some tried) others on here at that time simply slagged him off for his stupidity. Result ?
The result is that he is now a moderator over at fpvuk . Steve
Yes... might I add too that there is a reason that I re-registered ... the forum is a GREAT source of knowledge and advice if you cut out all the crap and obnoxious armchair know-it-alls... I think that says a lot.
Just my opinion but replies #148 & #149 are misrepresentations of the full facts & are atypical of how newcomers are treated on the forum. (Ironically, IIRC, it was Bobt who initially admonished Ianicopter for flying from a road. )
(Oh one more thing to make it clear that the Easy Glider "ding dong" referred to by SteveBB above was nothing whatsoever to do with me, I think wires are crossed there).
Depends on your perspective Patmac - it was certainly typical of MY experience, maybe not yours. Then again, perhaps you were better behaved