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GiantShark Good or Bad
« on: May 11, 2012, 07:54:46 AM »
The take over has caused quiet a stir on the forums, with mixed feelings.
So what do you think?
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2012, 08:39:50 AM »
Too early to say. There is alot of accusation and guessing going on with little supporting evidence from what I can see. I will wait until I need my next Big Fish items and see how it goes before passing judgment  :af

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2012, 08:40:33 AM »
If you mean whether or not the experience for their customers will improve or degrade then surely we don't know yet? 

However if you're referring to the pros and cons of large companies swallowing up small independents - well that's a far more complex issue!


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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2012, 10:48:46 AM »
For a start I suspect prices will go from minimum price to price matched, ie just cheap enough to match competitors.
On the other hand, there should be more capitol available to buy stock.
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2012, 12:06:10 PM »

On the other hand, there should be more capitol available to buy stock.

I very much doubt it!

They may have more capital behind them but somehow I doubt they have the backing of the US government!

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2012, 12:31:13 PM »
I ordered wed evening and parcel arrived this morning so all seems the same as GC at the moment.Whether it is a good thing for modellers I do not know at moment,GC was for one thing only,prices.I never had anything faulty from them so do not have any knowledge of the so called "Returns" problems.
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2012, 13:39:05 PM »
yes, you need to add a "too early to say" button to the options!

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2012, 14:05:12 PM »
I've always been pleased with GC but realise that HobbyKing need to make something out of the deal, and wonder where that will come from.  :xx
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2012, 14:06:32 PM »
I've always been pleased with GC but realise that HobbyKing need to make something out of the deal, and wonder where that will come from.  :xx

How are Hobby King involved?????
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2012, 14:08:24 PM »
How are Hobby King involved?????

Sorry, whoever bought them out.  :embarassed:
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2012, 14:08:59 PM »
I've always been pleased with GC but realise that HobbyKing need to make something out of the deal, and wonder where that will come from.  :xx

I think you're mixing up your companies.  The new owner of GC is My Hobby Stores.  Hobby King is the trader out of China / Hong Kong famous for Turnigy.

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2012, 14:10:05 PM »
Sorry, whoever bought them out.  :embarassed:

Someone has bought-out HobbyKing? I hadn't heard that.

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2012, 14:10:53 PM »
I think you're mixing up your companies.  The new owner of GC is My Hobby Stores.  Hobby King is the trader out of China / Hong Kong famous for Turnigy.

I am indeed. Duh!  :embarassed:

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2012, 14:11:58 PM »
Someone has bought-out HobbyKing? I hadn't heard that.

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2012, 14:14:05 PM »
Someone has bought-out HobbyKing? I hadn't heard that.

PDR

Looking at my last credit card statement it appears that it was me........  And I also seem to have tackled the complete supply chain issue by making a substantial investment in Parcel Force and/or HMRC at the same time....

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2012, 15:16:38 PM »
Having learned from bitter experience, I now know Parcel Farce should be avoided at all cost......

As for the other lot, I'm not sure how you avoid their attention. Ken Dodd and Lester Piggot thought they'd found a way, but were ultimately disappointed........
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2012, 15:53:18 PM »
Having learned from bitter experience, I now know Parcel Farce should be avoided at all cost......

As for the other lot, I'm not sure how you avoid their attention. Ken Dodd and Lester Piggot thought they'd found a way, but were ultimately disappointed........

I think you will find Ken Dodd was acquitted! The prosecution was led by Brian (now Lord Justice) Leveson QC. He still seems to have work......

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2012, 16:24:55 PM »
Can we have a dont care because i just google what i want and buy it, then use it when it arrives without giving too much of a hoot about where it comes from (apart from buying from the uk whenever i can) button?

maybe it could be abbreviated to "who cares?"

Whats the betting this turns into another hobby king promotion thread?

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2012, 16:55:48 PM »

Whats the betting this turns into another hobby king promotion thread?

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2012, 17:03:32 PM »
I think we mustn't discriminate agains Store-King while we're at it.

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2012, 17:05:26 PM »
Strike that - it turns out that there are laws against store-king (at least that's what the girl's lawyer claimed).

My wife's always complaining about the "King Hobby" - should we include that as well?

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2012, 17:05:57 PM »
I think you mean hobby-hobby, Pete

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2012, 17:30:39 PM »
I very much doubt it!

They may have more capital behind them but somehow I doubt they have the backing of the US government!
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2012, 18:57:17 PM »
And what about Burger King while we're at it?  Might they have a steak in the takeover I wonder?
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2012, 00:47:20 AM »
If you mean whether or not the experience for their customers will improve or degrade then surely we don't know yet? 

However if you're referring to the pros and cons of large companies swallowing up small independents - well that's a far more complex issue!
Since when was GC ever a small independent? They were owned by a firm in Hong Kong.
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2012, 01:05:29 AM »
Thought I should copy and paste a post from Rob carpenter himself on the GC/GS forum explaining exactly what has happened:

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A long overdue post by me - sorry.

Giantcod is no longer mine. There are a myriad of reasons, ranging from the size of it (too big for me to manage), to HobbyKing, to wanting to do something else.

I will, however be overseeing a 'transitional period' to keep it inline with what it what made it popular and successful and keep it on its righteous path.

The main reasons as to why it became successful were delivery times, price, service, stock and post costs. I'll address each point.

Delivery times – All orders will be sent with 24 hours. If it isn’t your post will be refunded. At GC we used to get nearly every order out the same day, if it was placed before 3.00pm and the same will be attempted with GS. The warehouse has moved from Cornwall to Peterborough so the guys will need time to settle in, but we have the same aim. I know how delighted people get when they order something on Tuesday and it arrives on Wednesday - Five times more than if they order it on Tuesday, it's posted on Wednesday and arrives Thursday. Sometimes, though 'events' take place so it's good to have the 24 hour timeframe. The aim, will be the same as GC though - sameday.

Price - I have seen another post concerning price. I think prices are more or less the same as Giantcod 2 months ago before the sale. The sale was exactly that. Most items were going out below cost as there was a deadline to meet. If you look at the prices now compared to what they were two months ago you should find they are more or less the same. The aim is to be the cheapest in the UK and within 10-15% of HongKong prices when post etc is factored in. There is a guarantee to match any price in the UK and I'll be keeping an eye out to make sure the prices don't creep up. I'll be doing some price comparisons with HK and other UK dealers this week and next - Feel free to help me out. There is a lowest price button on each product description, so use it. Just find the URL and put the price into the form and I’ll get it undercut it for UK prices and try to get it as close as I can for Hong Kong prices.

Service - Again the aim is for a GC style level of service. Emails are normally checked twice a day, or at least answered within 12 hours. Graham is staying on to help with this and there's a new chap - Martyn - who is a keen modeller, used to own a Model Shop and has a Bsc in Electronics. I know the hardline taken on faulty items is not liked by some but it contributes to keeping the costs down and ultimately raises a lot product awareness.
There’ll also be a sales line installed in the near future for those who don’t like ordering online.

Stock – The good news is myhobbystore have a lot more money than me and can afford to keep GS stocked up nicely. A problem with GC was that the warehouse had limited space and I had limited capital. This won’t be a problem, so expect to see more product lines and a much deeper stock of singular items. Due to the extra space stocking ARTF / RTF is also now possible.

Postage – this is becoming a problem. Royal Mail have changed their system for Business post and it has now become much more expensive to send smaller items. Their small packet class now goes from 0-750g in one class, whereby before it used to go up in increments of 100g with the price rising accordingly. To offset this Second Class Post has been introduced as well as the option to send items unrecorded up until £40 for First and Second Class.
Next Day has similarly taken a spectacular jump, but the good news is there is now a Overnight Courier Service for 1-10kg for just £8. That’s about the only good news as far as post is concerned. The post prices are the same as Royal Mails - money isn’t being made, just adding 40p for packing and admin costs.

http://www.royalmail.com/sites/default/ ... il2012.pdf

We come under the account section.

I know that many of you are concerned about the new direction, but to be honest with Hobbyking coming and more companies entering the market, I don’t see any other direction for this to go.

Keep the feedback coming in. GC was largely shaped by the forum. I’ll have a lot more time to keep an eye on it in the next few months for GS and will try to respond to it daily.


i notice he doesn't mention the Hong Kong connection there, but I don't recall him ever mentioning it in the past, although it was always in the "about us" part of the webpage.
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2012, 01:11:10 AM »
Since when was GC ever a small independent? They were owned by a firm in Hong Kong.

Two things.  Firstly were they always owned by the HK outfit?

And secondly just how large is it?  Are you sure it wasn't just a vehicle for easing trade with China?

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2012, 08:16:58 AM »
Two things.  Firstly were they always owned by the HK outfit?

And secondly just how large is it?  Are you sure it wasn't just a vehicle for easing trade with China?

1) No, I'm pretty sure Rob started out on his own.

2) I've posted the question on the GC/GS forums for Rob to answer if he wishes.
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2012, 09:33:26 AM »
Since when was GC ever a small independent? They were owned by a firm in Hong Kong.

I don't think it's a case of "owned by a hong kong firm" so much as "the company is registered in hong kong" for a number of reasons that make it advantageous to do so - there's a difference. Paypal isn't owned by a lichtenstein firm; it is a bank which is registered in lichtenstein for a number of similarly useful (to paypal) reasons.

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2012, 12:46:09 PM »
I'd hit the 'Won't ever use them again' button if there was one  :ev

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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2012, 13:59:45 PM »
I'd hit the 'Won't ever use them again' button if there was one  :ev

Why?  Because the ownership has changed?  Surely if the new owners continue to give the same shopping experience as GC then there's no reason to for their customers to change. 

Anyway - time will tell.

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2012, 18:58:50 PM »
Not, not because of ownership change, because what I have bought so far has been poor quality and has had to be replaced.  Might just have well have gone to the local shop in the first place.

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2012, 21:11:27 PM »
Not, not because of ownership change, because what I have bought so far has been poor quality and has had to be replaced.  Might just have well have gone to the local shop in the first place.

Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2012, 13:18:07 PM »
Everything I ever bought from them has been top notch. Only failure I ever had (and fortunately before it was fitted) was a terminal lead coming apart from the gold connector on a Turnigy battery due to a very poor soldering job. However that was Turnigy's fault not GC's.

However the prime reason I started buying there in the first place was the price. As these seem to be a bit less attractive now I may have to re-evaluate my purchasing decisions.

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2012, 20:22:19 PM »
However that was Turnigy's fault not GC's.


Indeed but regardless of that it was GC's legal responsibility to give you a refund or replacement (your choice not their's) AND to refund the cost of your return postage. Did they do this willingly? If so that's great or did you have to twist their arm? Or did you just not bother?

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2012, 21:14:06 PM »
Indeed but regardless of that it was GC's legal responsibility to give you a refund or replacement (your choice not their's) AND to refund the cost of your return postage.

Oh for gawd's sake, if you're going to come the barrack-room lawyer at least get the details right!

If you are rejecting goods as faulty under the SoGA then the RETAILER has the choice of offering repair or replacement. Either party may propose a refund as an alternative, but neither has the right to insist on it. In the case of mail-order goods rejected under SoGA the retailer is generally required to cover reasonable return postage costs.

If you're rejecting goods that are NOT faulty using your DSR rights then the only option is a refund. The return postage costs are the responsibility of the retailer by default, but this can be legally restricted or removed by the Ts&Cs of the retailer. In some specific circumstances the retailer *can* legally deduct reasonable "restocking" costs from the refund where more than trivial effort is needed to return the goods to a "merchandable condition".

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2012, 22:01:22 PM »
Oh for gawd's sake, if you're going to come the barrack-room lawyer at least get the details right!

If you are rejecting goods as faulty under the SoGA then the RETAILER has the choice of offering repair or replacement. Either party may propose a refund as an alternative, but neither has the right to insist on it. In the case of mail-order goods rejected under SoGA the retailer is generally required to cover reasonable return postage costs.

If you're rejecting goods that are NOT faulty using your DSR rights then the only option is a refund. The return postage costs are the responsibility of the retailer by default, but this can be legally restricted or removed by the Ts&Cs of the retailer. In some specific circumstances the retailer *can* legally deduct reasonable "restocking" costs from the refund where more than trivial effort is needed to return the goods to a "merchandable condition".

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In Propnut's example the goods WERE faulty making most of this irrelevant.

In any case.....

If the goods are damaged when they are delivered or are substantially different from their description in the advert or catalogue, the buyer has a right to ask for a full refund, including the cost of all postage and packaging.
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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2012, 22:53:18 PM »

If the goods are damaged when they are delivered or are substantially different from their description in the advert or catalogue, the buyer has a right to ask for a full refund, including the cost of all postage and packaging.

You certainly have the right to ASK for a refund..................!

BTW Since when did GC sell Turnigy batteries?

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2012, 22:54:29 PM »
In Propnut's example the goods WERE faulty making most of this irrelevant.

You have to be clear which rights you are trying to invoke. If you're rejecting the goods as faulty then you're using your SoGA rights under which (as I said above) you are NOT entitled to a refund. You are entitled to return the goods for repair or replacement (at the retailer's choice), and usually recompense for the reasonable cost of returning the goods. The retailer is entitled to conduct reasonable test/investigations to verify that the goods were faulty as supplied, rather than after delivery, before accepting responsibility for repair/replacement.

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If the goods are damaged when they are delivered or are substantially different from their description in the advert or catalogue, the buyer has a right to ask for a full refund, including the cost of all postage and packaging.

I'm afraid much as we might wish it otherwise or feel that "natural justice" means that it *should* be otherwise this simply isn't true. I know a lot of people seem to think it is, but they are wrong. It's easy enough to check - the two bits of law are the Sale of Goods and Services Act and the Distance Selling Regulations. There are lots of authoritative websites you can check this with if you wish.

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2012, 06:57:56 AM »
Has this thread lost its way?

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« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2012, 07:18:13 AM »
Has this thread lost its way?

"Threads on a forum are like a river - they gush forth from their mountain source with gusto, focus and great enthusiasm but by the time they reach the flat plains of humdrum they can barely be bothered to make it into the sea..."

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2012, 08:08:17 AM »
You have to be clear which rights you are trying to invoke. If you're rejecting the goods as faulty then you're using your SoGA rights under which (as I said above) you are NOT entitled to a refund. You are entitled to return the goods for repair or replacement (at the retailer's choice), and usually recompense for the reasonable cost of returning the goods. The retailer is entitled to conduct reasonable test/investigations to verify that the goods were faulty as supplied, rather than after delivery, before accepting responsibility for repair/replacement.

I'm afraid much as we might wish it otherwise or feel that "natural justice" means that it *should* be otherwise this simply isn't true. I know a lot of people seem to think it is, but they are wrong. It's easy enough to check - the two bits of law are the Sale of Goods and Services Act and the Distance Selling Regulations. There are lots of authoritative websites you can check this with if you wish.

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Oh dear..........

You are missing the key point. The customer has a right to reject faulty goods, providing they do so within a "reasonable time" and under those circumstances are entitled to a refund or may choose to accept a replacement if they wish.

If the customer does not act within a "reasonable time" then, and only then, does your explanation apply.

"Authoritative websites" (which presumably excludes any that disagree with you)!

Office of fair trading.........

http://www.oft.gov.uk/business-advice/treating-customers-fairly/sogahome/sogaexplained    - See section 5

If the item does not conform to contract (is faulty ) for any of the reasons mentioned previously, and the customer has not accepted the goods, the law says the customer is entitled to
reject the goods and claim a full refund, or
request a repair or replacement if that is the customer's preferred option.
As the retailer, you can offer a repair, a replacement or a credit note, but you cannot insist on any one of these. It is the customer's right to receive a full refund in these circumstances.



Or, from a more consumer point of view, Which.......

http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/sale-of-goods/returning-goods-your-legal-rights/your-rights/

Shops have a duty, under the Sale of Goods Act, to make sure that the product is:
as described
of satisfactory quality, and
fit for purpose – this means both their everyday purpose, and also any specific purpose that you agreed with the seller (for example, if you specifically asked for a printer that would be compatible with your computer).
If you buy a product that has a problem because of one of these reasons, you can choose to 'reject' it, return it and get your money back.
Act quickly
The law gives you a 'reasonable' time to do this – what is reasonable depends on the product and how obvious the fault is. For example, it's reasonable to assume that an expensive TV will work for a long time, so if it packs up two weeks after you bought it - reject!
If you leave it longer than a 'reasonable' time, the retailer must still resolve your problem, but it can normally choose whether to repair or replace the faulty item rather than refund your money.

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2012, 09:49:37 AM »
BTW Since when did GC sell Turnigy batteries?

Ahh......you are absolutely correct. In fact it wasn't from GC it was actually from HobbyKing  :embarassed: in which case let me restate my original affirmation that I have NEVER had a problem with GC  :af

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #43 on: May 14, 2012, 09:59:56 AM »
I cannot believe there is page after page after page of drivel over a company that sells 5 dab motors and 10 dab batteries...

They are cheap, they are bought in high volume, they are relatively toilet compared to axi, hacker etc. so maybe expect to shell out another 5 dab for another motor?

If I had a 5 dab motor that failed I'm not sure i could be bothered walking to the post office to send it back.  easier to order another and have it come to me.  I would probably pay myself 5 dab not to have to que with the oap's buying tv stamps and all that stuff.

I only ever tried to send anything back to GC once and that was a 100V HV esc that got burned out.  I was trying it on though as the reason it burned out was the 20 quid Tower pro 5330 from Hobby king threw a couple of its magnets and burned out the esc setting fire to my adrenaline.  Hobby king didnt want to know, they were utter rubbish customer service!  They actually said that I wasnt using the recommended propeller, which was their cheap tosh... I actually had a 20odd x8 APC-E on it!

So in essence, buy cheap, expect failures, and the cheap companies will not replace anything... take them to the small claims if you will or but another and go flying.

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« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2012, 21:25:40 PM »
Loong Max lipos are certainly not junk. Nor are Gens Ace....  And their Black Mantis ESC look very similar to the Perkins EnRGee range for a very good reason. Both are the same item from ZTW.

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Re: GiantShark Good or Bad
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2012, 22:26:43 PM »
I ordered my 3S 25C 2200's at 9:30 last Sunday night they were delivered Tuesday morning - they cost £3 less each than the last ones and had deans connectors already fitted which the previous ones didn't (Pity I'm on XT60's now).
Well pleased with price and service - definately buy off them again.  :af  :af  :af
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