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Hi allI had an interesting conversation with a chap on Ivinghoe Beacon recently. He told me he had bought a Minivec with the certain knowledge that it would break its fuselage soon - and it had! He repaired the fuselage with a piece of fishing rod blank inside the fus and a "cuff" of well wetted carbon cloth outsideHe'd then NOT tried to conceal the repair but painted the cuff black to blend in, and become part of, the black and yellow colour scheme and left it at thatHe said he knew that people would come up to him and say "Oh yours broke there too?" but, was prepared for that by saying YES it's their typefault, its where they ALWAYS break so I've just allowed for itSomething I did back in the eighties when I owned a Facctor 2M which broke at the base on the leading edge of the fin where the fuselage cross section was smallest -EVERY time!Problems don't change - just the names, it seems.....Pete
reinforce the wingsthe control hornsthe boom just in front of the tail I think it's cheaper to buy another fuse and just throw them away as they break After all I think that's the mentality of mass produced Carp for the masses
I find this a very odd thread, Allen. If it is inevitable that the fuselage breaks, would it not be prudent to strengthen while building it in order to prevent this happening? Am I missing something here?
Allen,I don't think it is the customers' fault and I generally agree with you regarding RCRCM.However, if someone decides to buy an RCRCM plane and knows about the potential problems, then they should either be prepared to take preventative action or to fix it when it does break.The "problem" with RCRCM planes is that they have been sold widely to all sorts of people in large numbers, so it is probably not a great surprise that a number get broken, pure on statistical probability alone.Like I've said before have you or anyone else seen a jaro muller elita that hasn't had a broken boom behind the wing seat (probably there are some). If there were 500 elitas about everyone might be saying Jaro Mueller is a poor builder...As I said on other threads cheap euro (especially 60 inch) mouldies often weren't/aren't exactly a picnic to own in terms of fuselage strength either. There are a lot more sunbirds, typhoon and mini vectors about than there are shooting stars, mini acacias and mini ellipses.Take X-models - it's obvious to anyone who has seen some of them that many of them are bendier than non euro standard banana, yet they continue to supply a joiner that is basically w*nk. Take your own sword DS which you would not want (if you can get it) in a 2 piece wing. Plenty of faults out there.T
I hate to have to agree with you Tom but I doThey do do a 2m sword with a 2 piece wing and I would not have bought itBut The quality for the £££ of an Xmodels model is WAY better but this is due to using the same wing mould (all be it a good one) of the last 20 years lolnot buy supplying Carp, the reason for the bendy joiner IMO is not coz they like it to bend before the wing but in fact coz they dont want to change the wing (increased cost and hassle)To be fair to RCRM they are relatively new and are still learning as they go along, in the next couple of years I expect great things from them as long as they learn to evolve
"To be fair to RCRM they are relatively new and are still learning as they go along, in the next couple of years I expect great things from them as long as they learn to evolve"Make no mistake Allen - they know exactly what they are doing when making fuselages - unless they are evolving to be deaf dumb and blind.I have not only told them how to make good fuselages - I have actually shown them. They choose not to. They are evolving - commercially.
i've always thought that the whole models were soft and bendy to be honest, but there you go.
Eh? I thought the FF had a bolt on tail...
But we all agree their/your models fly Amazing they just dont take ANY abuse of any kindI hear what you are saying (they want things to break) but this is only short term commercially evaluation and will end in ether no business or change
I know I can choose to read or not, but this banging on about rcrcm is getting very boaring.Cant we find something else to complain about. Or Even Better, Lets find something Else to RAVE about!
buy models you know won't buy,,,,,, D60's. D40's. That's my opinion or a pace Vxh
I rave about my alpina. A real classic that.
Seconded on that Jim - certainly a classic among classics, great looking and a really fantastic flyer too.I am really so tempted to make a 4 M plane - maybe next year...They are just "Different" to fly I think, but I dont know what.Fantastic plane, and I wish I had one.JH