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ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« on: August 03, 2013, 21:19:08 PM »
Hi guys,
  a friend and I have decided to take the plunge, and jump into a 1/3 scale WW1 kit this winter.  After taking plenty of advice from the Dawn Patrol boys and talking to Jan from ADFA models at Greenacres RCM&E fly-in, June 2013.  We struck a deal for 2 complete kits. After paying a 50% deposit I was hoping for then to be ready in just a couple of weeks, but alas it looks like I will need to wait until the Nations for them to be ready.  Never mind I'm sure they will be worth the wait.

Watch this space for the build.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2013, 21:29:47 PM by smutlley »
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2013, 21:59:38 PM »
Tailskid looks weird...

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2013, 23:34:58 PM »
http://www.gmac.org.au/images/064TailBracketandskid.jpg

Fine looking one at this link.
Just looks like bun-gee has come loose.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2013, 23:38:10 PM by barmybert »
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2013, 07:06:23 AM »
Subscribed  :)

I have been contemplating one of these, I hear they fly VERY well. Good luck with the build chaps  :af :af

It's about time for specs please, geared Z38?  :study: :study: :)

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2013, 07:28:48 AM »
It's about time for specs please, geared Z38?  :study: :study: :)

Is there any other way of powering a 1/3 scale Pup? $%& ;)

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2013, 08:01:18 AM »
Is there any other way of powering a 1/3 scale Pup? $%& ;)

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Of course! But only one bestest way  ;)

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2013, 09:55:24 AM »
Hi to all.
 I am the other party in the Pup build.
For me it is going to be a Tony Clarke reduction drive on a Zenoah 38.

The covering I am thinking of trying Sig coverall, I have not used it before and have no clue as to whether it has a glue on back or requires dope or a balsa-lock type of adhesive.
I am sure it will all be on the net somewhere.

All a long way off, as we need to get the kits first.

Has anyone else built one of these or have a kit on order from ADFA.

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2013, 10:18:46 AM »
I have a kit on order, but not a Pup (Yet).

Adfa are traveling to Euroflugtag this week, did you agree a delivery/collection time? I know he cuts to order.

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2013, 21:35:21 PM »
Took a look at their web site, seems very expensive in comparison with a Mick Reeves Pup, is it a more comprehensive kit content? web site is a bit short on detail.

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2013, 21:45:18 PM »
Is this a new kit as there pup kit up until now has been 30% not 1/3rd scale. Its a fair bit smaller.

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2013, 11:52:38 AM »


The covering I am thinking of trying Sig coverall, I have not used it before and have no clue as to whether it has a glue on back or requires dope or a balsa-lock type of adhesive.

Sig Koverall needs a separate adhesive to attatch it to the structure - Sig sell their own stuff, I think it's called Stix. I believe you can also dope it in place. It is then shrunk  like 'tex but the covering needs several coats of (thinned) dope to fill the weave before the final scheme is added.
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2013, 22:55:03 PM »
Tailskid looks weird...

I am planning on the attached scheme and this looks like it has a wheel not a skid. As for a motor I was planning on going over the top with a 62 with a reduction as I want it to be aerobatic.  I hear the Dawn Patrol guys turning in there seeping backs at a field near you already, but I just don't have what it takes to do a precise scale build like those guys, I just want to fly it and I do like having lots of power at my thumb.  :-)
« Last Edit: August 05, 2013, 22:56:09 PM by smutlley »
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2013, 23:13:50 PM »
As for a motor I was planning on going over the top with a 62 with a reduction

<shudder smiley>

I'll say no more, but with a geared 38 there is ample power for scale aerobatics, your toy though  :af

Watching with interest  :)

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2013, 23:20:09 PM »
I am planning on the attached scheme and this looks like it has a wheel not a skid.

The white Pup in the picture is a modern replica, the tailwheel is there so that the owner can taxi about safely on modern airport hard surfaces and not need a pair of wingtip-holding assistants.

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2013, 16:34:28 PM »
<shudder smiley>

I'll say no more, but with a geared 38 there is ample power for scale aerobatics, your toy though  :af

Watching with interest  :)

Muds

I am will Mudders there ,a geared 38 is more than enough power and a much better set up for it. Don't spoil it. Also no one has said if it is a bigger one than the one on his site which as I said is only 30% .

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2013, 22:30:16 PM »
Hi, it is supposed to be 1/3 scale as advertised in the ADFA shop in the kits section as being 1/3 scale
http://www.ekmpowershop24.com/ekmps/shops/adfamodelsltd/index.asp

Perhaps there is two different sizes of 1/3 scale
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2013, 22:37:14 PM »
The Pup you saw at Greenacres is 30%. I know there was talk of a resize to 33%, probably worth checking with Jan next week. 

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2013, 23:24:04 PM »
I am banking on the ADFA Pup being 1/3rd scale as that is the way it's advertised on his web site.  Trouble is, Jan is a hard man to communicate with, I have send more than one email to him with no reply.  Anyway the target is collect at the NATS two complete kit.

62cc or 38cc would the bigger really be to its detriment or just unrequited power?  I have never had a plane that I considered over powered to this day, over weight perhaps.
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2013, 06:53:53 AM »
His kit at the moment is set up to take a geared 38 with the Toni Clark silencer fitted behind the engine BH which is by far the best set up.
What you fit is up to you but having owned two 1/3rd scale pups and looking to build another one in the near future ,also running a geared 62 in a Fokker D.VII I would fit the geared 38 to the pup. Its more then enough power for it.
Anyhows check first that it is a new 1/3rd scale kit.

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2013, 22:48:16 PM »
I need to make a shopping list for the Natts.  :)
Apart from the kit what else would it be prudent to get for the build.
I already have a Zenoah 38 so that's one bit in stock.

Different glues, what is best and for what part of the build.

What covering would be best to use with ease.

and do you know of any thing else I may need.
will I need silver solder to hard solder under cart
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2013, 23:01:31 PM »
Hi, it is supposed to be 1/3 scale as advertised in the ADFA shop in the kits section as being 1/3 scale
Perhaps there is two different sizes of 1/3 scale
The pup has a wingspan of 26ft 6in, so at 1/3 scale it needs to be 106in. 30% would be only 95.4in, considerably smaller. What wingspan is the kit?

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2013, 23:23:04 PM »
 :embarassed: :embarassed:
I don't know
looks like it could be a clipped wing 1/3 scale  ;D
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2013, 15:24:31 PM »
I made a little enquiry and ADFA have confirmed your Pups will be 33%  :af

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2013, 17:47:16 PM »
I made a little enquiry and ADFA have confirmed your Pups will be 33%  :af

Muds  :)

Nice one thats ace news

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2013, 22:35:50 PM »
Thanks Mudders,
That is good news, so it will be 1 smidging off from being 1/3 scale after all then.
Very exited now.
Have just got to clear the shed for the start of the build.
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2013, 22:41:53 PM »
Nice one thats ace news

Si

Fantastic, don't know how you found out but thank you.  Ill stick anoth foot on the end of my build bench right away.   :D
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2013, 22:44:12 PM »
His kit at the moment is set up to take a geared 38 with the Toni Clark silencer fitted behind the engine BH which is by far the best set up.
What you fit is up to you but having owned two 1/3rd scale pups and looking to build another one in the near future ,also running a geared 62 in a Fokker D.VII I would fit the geared 38 to the pup. Its more then enough power for it.
Anyhows check first that it is a new 1/3rd scale kit.

Si

I will take some advice here and take a close look at all the 1/3 scale WW1 stuff at the NATS before I jump in then. :-\
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2013, 23:21:23 PM »
Fantastic, don't know how you found out but thank you.  Ill stick anoth foot on the end of my build bench right away.   :D

If I was you I would use some wood to extend bench, it will be a lot less painfull
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2013, 06:17:22 AM »
I will take some advice here and take a close look at all the 1/3 scale WW1 stuff at the NATS before I jump in then. :-\

Have a look at Mats one, flying wise they do not come any better than that.

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2013, 12:21:31 PM »
Deck chair ready and waiting,and money in pocket for ice-creams 
Hope we are blessed with some decent weather this year.
I take it that Matts is a Balsa USA kit with Z38 on reduction then,
Be interesting to see what exhausts are fitted.
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2013, 13:33:52 PM »
Just left Euroflugtag and spent time talking to Jan, the new wing for the larger Pup looks good and was dry fitted together in an hour

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2013, 16:46:11 PM »
Don't suppose you got any pictures of it.
Dry built in one hour, sounds  impressive.
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2013, 10:15:20 AM »
Sorry we were too busy socialising working to get pics.  :co

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2013, 10:34:00 AM »
Hi to all,
We have had confirmation from ADFA today that  they are 1/3 scale. just as we ordered. :)
So that has laid the is it isn't part to bed now.( thanks for the concerns)
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2013, 23:19:29 PM »
I Got a response from Jan and he has confirm that it is indeed a 1/3rd scale.

Picking it up at the Nats next weekend, looking forward to that.   :D
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2013, 11:44:33 AM »
Having had a dummy run on something smaller I now know what I need stuff I need to get at Natts
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2013, 01:09:22 AM »
We have been promised to have delivery of our complete kits from Jan from ADFA models.

So from when we met with Jan at the RCM&E fly in at Greenacres 3 months ago and ordered with a 50% deposit shortly after, i'ts been about 3 months waiting with one delay or another, after the promise of taking just 2 weeks it has now delivery time.  So fingers crossed Jan will this time be true to his word and deliver the goods.

Fingers crossed I will let you all know what it's like with plenty of pictures when it turns up.

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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2013, 09:53:11 AM »
After lots of emails and letters to a throw with ADFA, we had a bit of a fall out, due to the late deliver and I was not prepared to pay the remaining 650 plus 50 as I was not convinced the kits were indeed ready and complete,  So we decided to jump in the car and do the 500 mile round trip and collect them in person.

After a frosty first couple of minuets all was well and we chatted and took advice for an hour or so.  Although there was no cowl ready to collect, no printed plans and only one set of wheels, what was ready is made to a high standard.  We left for the long trip home, happy and relived that we had eventually got what we paid for, if not quite complete as yet.

Not having a printed set of plans and I don't think there is any plan for for making them available with the kit or at extra cost, may be a problem moving forward for most people.  Luckily I work at a wide format printed and have put a set together for myself, but there is not even a scale pdf drawing for the wings.

So with all that behind us lets get on with the fun part.

Paul
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2013, 11:02:31 AM »
Day 1 - 3 hours
 Opening the box the parts are taped together with masking tape in logical groups, top wing, bottom wing fuz etc.  There is a couple of bags with lots of small parts and fittings etc, some very nicely soldered under carriage, I will take some picture of this when I'm back home tonight.  I must say at this point all the parts look very well made and precisely cut.

The first part I started are with wing tips, these are balsa strips that are laminated 4 ply with wood glue using the supplied plastic guide/former and lots of clamps.  I need to make 4 of these hence starting it now as they need to be left to dry over night.
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Re: ADFA Models 1/3 Scale Sopwith Pup Build
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2013, 11:45:54 AM »
Day 2 - 8 hours

Stab and top wings,
  The stab goes together very easily and quickly due to the design, there is a sheet of thin light ply cut to shape with slots for the upper and lower rib halves to push into, plus balsa for the trailing edge.  The leading edge and tips are made in the same fashion as the main wing tips but using the ply stab rather than a separate former, I have all the ribs fitted and will attempt the balsa shaping laminate next.

The top wings go together like a simple jig saw with the ribs slotting into the ply spars, Nice!, although it would be very handy to have some build instruction and PLANS that are not included and only available digitally (PDF), plus the wing drawings are not accurate or to scale so you need to know where the ply and balsa parts go.  Once you have this sorted you laminate the ply doublers to the thick balsa ribs.  The leading edge of the wings are dowels, 5 are supplied with the kit as they are not long enough to use in one piece.  I'm not overly happy with this so I may swap this part out for a carbon tube as Jan from ADFA has done on the one he is building.  I have used Epoxy for rib one and 2 then cyno for all other joints so far.  Each of the top wing halves took me about an hour to get to this stage Very quick and easy.  Would be the same for the bottom wing but the 4 sqare section spar pieces are missing from the kit, so bottom wing on hold.

Really goes together fast.  I can only compare this build with my one other build of a Bell Air cut Ziroli Stearman and it is head and shoulders above it for fit and precision parts, so far.  :af
All was going well until I ran out of talent!!

 

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