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Quote from: ofej on March 04, 2017, 21:40:34 pmOK I am a cyclist and a car driver. Here is my perspective from a cyclists viewpoint...It is only 6 miles to where I work (Basildon Hospital), but I don't commute at the moment, because car drivers, all too often, have too little time in the morning to clean their windows of frost / water / road salt, they have too little time to stop while they receive and make phone calls, and they have too little time to wait behind me while I ride through restrictions in the width of the road (bollards) on the B roads that I have to use. The worst offenders, generally, are Mums (their faces constantly illuminated by the blue lights of their mobile phones) hassled by their little darling's, who have school schedules to meet. Their 4 x 4 monsters keep them safe as they virtually scrape the fibres of my hi-vis jacket. When the risks have subsided, a little more - ie less chance of icy / wet / dirty windscreens and windows, I will be commuting again, but I know exactly what to expect. It frightens me whenever a car comes from a side road to the road in front of me, and I can see that they're windows are covered in frost. Sometimes the potholes are horrendous, and force me to take a decision on endangering the trueness of my wheels, or my life, based on whether I think the driver behind will appreciate my environment. I have a 65 mile charity ride in May, for which I have to get fit. To train for the charity ride, I use the cycle lane along Southend Seafront - just five miles long, I spend three hours every Monday and Thursday going back and forth, currently I am doing more than 60km (38 miles). This week I have had 22mph winds along the front to contend with. Those that ride a pushbike will know that this is great when the wind is behind you - and a struggle, to say the least, when it is in your face. It's unsafe to do more than 20mph on the cycle path, when the wind is behind me I am capable of sustaining 20mph or more. So I ride in the road with the wind, then on the cycle path on the way back into the wind.The reason it is unsafe to use the cycle path at speeds above 20mph? People don't expect me to be there and my brakes are not as effective as a car's brakes because I weigh more than 17 stone. I have encountered mobility scooters, vans off-loading goods, joggers, dog walkers, children (sometimes on bikes), and other people that ride their bikes in a dream world. Some people just walk along the path or across it, oblivious of it's purpose. The cycle path surface is much bumpier than the road surface. No this is definitely not the place for me.OK so with the wind, when I am full of energy and going for it, I use the road. Because it is a 40ft wide, thirty limit road, with cameras along it's busiest sections, you would not think that I would be a reason to cause road rage, when I am keeping to the left and doing more than twenty mph. But I get van drivers swerving in front of me, dangerously close and braking unnecessarily, people shouting obscenities at me and sounding their horns aggressively. Whenever anybody takes the time to give me space, I make a point of thanking them. It is very pleasant when car and van drivers (so far it has always been male drivers) appreciate my thanking them for their courtesy - with a reciprocal wave and smile. I could go on, but nobody will have read it all anyway.
Quote from: ofej on March 04, 2017, 23:16:44 pmNo, I am only giving MY reasons for not using cycle tracks when I am capable of doing speeds on the road, that are within ten mph of the speed limit.Any cyclist that currently rides on 70mph roads in busy areas is either asking for trouble, or must have a very good reason for doing so.Personally, I would never ride on the dual carriageways in South Essex, and have not seen anyone else doing so for the last twenty years.Some cycle tracks are probably in good order and properly marked, so that those using them are safe to do so.
Quote from: ofej on March 04, 2017, 21:40:34 pmThe reason it is unsafe to use the cycle path at speeds above 20mph? People don't expect me to be there and my brakes are not as effective as a car's brakes because I weigh more than 17 stone. I have encountered mobility scooters, vans off-loading goods, joggers, dog walkers, children (sometimes on bikes), and other people that ride their bikes in a dream world. Some people just walk along the path or across it, oblivious of it's purpose. The cycle path surface is much bumpier than the road surface. No this is definitely not the place for me.
Quote from: keithl on March 06, 2017, 12:19:16 pmOne place that I cycle regularly is in a residential area. The road has a 20mph limit and sped bumps due to a school (which is my destination as I am a governor). The pavement on one side is wide and is half pedestrian and half cycle lane. The problem is that there are three side roads that cross it and so have right of way, plus numerous driveways where cars appear without expecting to encounter a cyclist.The solution - cycle on the road where I can maintain around 10-15mph and have right of way.
Quote from: Michael_Rolls on March 06, 2017, 13:25:31 pmProvided the emerging motorists are actually looking!Mike
Quote from: Steve Lewin on March 06, 2017, 15:30:53 pmRights of way are theoretical, inattentive car/van/truck drivers are unfortunately very practical.Steve
Quote from: ofej on March 06, 2017, 23:27:58 pmSurprisingly apt comments on here today, considering my ride tonight.I was doing around 18mph, going as hard as I could (not much tailwind), along an empty cycle path at around 7.40pm.Became aware that a Taxi coming towards me was crossing the interface between road and cycle path, heading straight at me, blocking my path. Initial reaction was to stop pedaling. He will see me in a second... sheeit! He hasn't seen me... SWERVE!! Fortunately his eyes did start pointing the right way and he swerved giving me a small gap to get down. Pretty impressive that anyone could not see me, seeing as I have two LED torches on the handlebars, one on continuously, the other flashing 3 times a second, both very bright.The taxi driver was very apologetic when I politely informed him of his driving inadequacies.
Quote from: itsme on March 06, 2017, 23:56:44 pmSo the bloody annoying lights are useless then?
Quote from: itsme on March 06, 2017, 23:56:44 pmSo the bloody annoying lights are useless then? Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk
Quote from: Old Geezer on March 08, 2017, 19:08:21 pmJust treat horses and their riders with the consideration you expect/demand from car drivers when you're in MAMIL mode and they won't be a liability.Just remember that horses are "flight animals" - the moment they feel threatened they will try to be elsewhere - quickly -
Quote from: EssJay on March 08, 2017, 22:04:59 pmIsn't it about time that horse owners who wish to use the public roads are required to take out adequate third party insurance just like motorists. I was going to say just like all other road users, but I believe it would be far more difficult to ensure that cyclists take out insurance as:a) There are so many it would be impossible to police.b) They seem to a law unto themselves anyway.
Quote from: itsme on March 09, 2017, 12:43:11 pmBack to lights- got one last night that made me bloomin angry. He had one of those high power strobes and had it set deliberately to shine in motorists eyes. It has to be illegal.
Quote from: Michael_Rolls on March 09, 2017, 08:57:58 amI long ago came to the conclusion that if you meet a horse and its rider, there is a good chance that the horse is the brighter element of the pair!Mike
Quote from: pooh on March 09, 2017, 15:44:35 pmyou might like to explain that to my wife (BSc 2:1) and daughter (BA (Oxon) MA, PhD, Professor), and me (BSc, MSc) all horseriders but seriously, a horse can out-accelerate a Ferrari 0-30mph, the problem is you can't be sure in which direction it will do it.Most horses are fine on roads as long as they are treated with respect, given good clearance, passed considerately at a sensible speed, with no deliberate noise. Much as a cyclist would like to be treated. Or another driver. Or a pedestrian.
Quote from: Michael_Rolls on March 09, 2017, 19:14:27 pmOh, and once again - we have have two stables within 200 yards of us - I probably encounter more horses on the road in a week than most people do in a year, and more than some do in a lifetime - and 90% of the time, no problem - and when there is, most of the time it is caused by an outsider, whether on four legs or four wheels.Mike
Quote from: Big A on March 10, 2017, 07:28:06 amIn my experience most cyclists, motorists and horsey types are considerate to other road users, there is a minority of each who are less so. Just like people in general really.Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
Quote from: Michael_Rolls on March 09, 2017, 19:09:37 pmOh, if your ladies indulge in the sort of behaviour I have described (and it's not a sole experience, sadly) I don't are how many degrees they have - they mean absolutely nothing when we are talking about consideration toward others.\Mike
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