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Weston Park !
« on: June 18, 2018, 12:45:29 PM »
years ago RC events were wildly reported on  in this forum , now "not a mention " ??
I must admit to thinking they got to be "all the same " and not really relevant to the hobby , but just looking around at Weston on Saturday you would not get the impression that the hobby was dying ! It was standing room only  ;)
A very good demo by a lone full size Spit , exceptional really ,and a Pitts whos pilot cannot have eaten in the last week ! The models were quite good as well .

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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2018, 12:52:59 PM »
Was there yesterday, very busy with people watching the flying, but the traders seemed quite quiet.

Intended to pick up a few bits and pieces...... Found that generally most of the items I was after could be had significantly cheaper online.

Sign of the times I suppose.

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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2018, 14:00:16 PM »
I was surprised how many turned out on Saturday as the weather forecast hadn't been too good.  I've got to say I'm glad I decided to go, I hadn't bothered with any shows last year as I think I was suffering show fatigue - they all seemed the same, seen it all before etc..  I was on the lookout for possible new medium size ARTF projects but ARTFs generally seemed less prominent than in the past, unless you count foamies.
Nice chips & curry sauce with a cuppa, bag of donuts to share later, Spitfire, Pitts and the mayhem display.  An excellent day out.
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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2018, 16:21:53 PM »
Went on Saturday knowing it could be showers on and off, so glad we did go.
Gawd bless the wife we got the deck chairs out on the flight line at 9.30 ish and sat all day watching the flying in heavy cross winds at times.

Walked round several times but I didn't want to buy anything big, got enough to finish at home, but came away inspired and fired up to get building again.
Also ate far too much! ::)

The night show seemed a little error strewn with dean coxon singeing his elevators and martin pickering also had trouble, but we left at 22:45 for the two hour drive home, all in all Great Stuff.   :af :af

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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2018, 21:25:47 PM »
I thought numbers were heavily down (Through the gate). Its a difficult one to judge as its a huge site, but I think people spent more time in their caravans than on the line.I bag watch with interest and in three days, I did not see many bags! It interested me to talk to the food people, the ones I spoke to said they had done multiple years, but this was the worst-that also made sense to me, so many caravans, why would you pay over £3 for a coffee when you could stroll back to your house on wheels and stick the kettle on. My feeling was it was full of what we call ice cream lickers, they come to watch models fly-they are not modellers! The modellers were there, but I think they just sat in their caravans in the whole and mooched around to buy odd bits. For the trade its a 5 day show...minimum, sadly many still divide their takings by 3 days and ignore the huge costs of doing these weekends. Since most are daft enough to offer free shipping, people don't go to shows to buy big items any more, they sit in their arm chairs and 'click'
I was pleased to hear there was quite a bit of balsa wood sold, its still a fraction of the good old days and won't stop the death of the hobby I love. The instant gratification life we lead means kids are not interested and 'proper' blokes who use their hands and minds to craft are now doing other things like building full scale or something they can play with which is not affected by the weather. My business only does LMA shows since they are sensible on the stand space cost and the Nats, where although not cheap, its 95% aeromodellers and not the ice cream eating public who are interested, but not buying.
Spitfire display was great, but the several thousands it cost would not be covered in additional feet. What the trade needs is two or three 'foamie' slots as the multi-thousands display models flown are for a handful of the people watching. Showing the models they want to sell flying would do a lot more for the trade than the majority of displays flown.
Could be worse, its Wings and Wheels this coming weekend...a terrible show and selling place!! See you there...


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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2018, 07:22:53 AM »
What the trade needs is two or three 'foamie' slots as the multi-thousands display models flown are for a handful of the people watching. Showing the models they want to sell flying would do a lot more for the trade than the majority of displays flown.
Could be worse, its Wings and Wheels this coming weekend...a terrible show and selling place!! See you there...

Like the old days Dave, I donít like looking back normally but they used to be trade shows where you sell your wares, this I think was more engaging for the audience the nearest to this at the moment I guess is PB Models with the Renegades and the Bullets and the Fun Fighters, there must be more but that is just and example which I think they are trying to get back some of the good stuff from years gone by, who does not remember the Panic team,
Taking nothing away from the time and effort that goes into these shows and the commitment of those who pay for the hardware and give there time to display at these shows they do a great job but a little bit of going back to basics is always good.
I am not sure it will do anything to bolster the numbers doing the hobby but it may bring a few into the fold, the extreme models will always be the icing on the cake at shows, but you do need something that is achievable for the average person and their family to enjoy.

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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2018, 11:52:49 AM »
They used to be 'trade shows' where every other slot was a showcase for a particular brand of model, this was the enticement for Mr Average modeller who could see himself flying the model being demonstrated. Now its the extreme edges of flying, with ever more huge models,. fast expensive jets and 150cc 3d machines. People look, then shake their heads and walk away, as the wallet and time available cant reach those heights. At one time Precedent, Flair, LMC, Mick Reeves etc were the models available but these days its a crappy foamy or a hugely expensive composite moulded aerobat. Weston is now about the flying (which is spectacular) and not really the trade anymore. When we started the Gee Bee Team twelve years ago, they were big models, now they are just another average club flyer, but we get loads and loads of folk asking where they can get one. It seems Mr Average is being abandoned....

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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2018, 12:50:29 PM »
I suspect that the increasing size of models being flown at the shows is to an extent a product of our current safety culture. The required separation of model from spectators means that your average 56" - 72" club model would be a speck on the horizon these days compared to shows of the past. I certainly remember going to the Esher symposiums which were held at Brooklands College. The trade displays just about filled the gym whilst display flying took place on the tennis courts, so spectating was an up close and personal experience!
I went to Weston on Saturday for the first time and was astonished at the number of caravans, camper vans and tents that were at the show. This would suggest whole families attend and I guess there are other attractions at Weston Park to amuse the non modellers in the party. Another observation  was that the age demographic is a bit lower than the last time I went to Wings and Wheels at North Weald so that must be a positive thing.

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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2018, 15:38:20 PM »
I agree gents, good point Mart the models did have to be bigger!

Bob I remember the Gee Bee Team, thought is was entertaining and as you say they were big then! but they were achievable by the average modeller then, I am not bashing shows at all, they have had to move on from trade shows as letís be honest when it comes to kit manufacturers etc, they are very few and far between now.

As Dave says slots for foamies would be a down to earth positive step the modern version of the old format.
We have to face it we are becoming extinct ! 😳😉

Still it is a big enough step to put on a show at all in this day and age.


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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2018, 15:43:15 PM »
It's partly that but not deliberate. Everyone wants to go a bit bigger to be seen so it's gradually got to bigger models. But most sport flyers can not go to those lengths, flying field restrictions, cost, transport means smaller models. Enter the foamy, which has introduced many people to model flying. But to move on from that is a quantum leap. The 40 50 and 60 glow models of the past are gone, so it's a case of sticking with the foamies or digging deep in to the wallet. We need someone to come up with a cheap motor (not glow ) to take on that size model. Then we may get more models that size.

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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2018, 15:47:24 PM »
I agree gents, good point Mart the models did have to be bigger!

Bob I remember the Gee Bee Team, thought is was entertaining and as you say they were big then! but they were achievable by the average modeller then, I am not bashing shows at all, they have had to move on from trade shows as letís be honest when it comes to kit manufacturers etc, they are very few and far between now.

As Dave says slots for foamies would be a down to earth positive step the modern version of the old format.
We have to face it we are becoming extinct ! [emoji15][emoji6]

Still it is a big enough step to put on a show at all in this day and age.
We still have a viable team, but have backed off from most of the shows. We get together at LMA flyins and the odd show like East Kirkby. The shows have moved on to better (bigger ) models leaving us behind. It's progress and I am in awe at some of the flying these days. But it still leaves the sport flyer with little choice!

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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2018, 21:36:13 PM »
I went on the Saturday and from about 1-2pm onwards the crowd line was rammed, it was difficult to move up and down the hill. It was as full as I've seen it in the 20+ years I've been going.
For the first time I also attended the night time show, it was also heaving well before the flying began.
Some amazing flying both full size and models, especially in the dark..
I tend to agree that the average club flyer will see little that he could afford and fly at his club field; also some of the big 3d aircraft were so noisy - where do they fly them without risking losing yet another flying site?

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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2018, 22:09:14 PM »
Went Sunday, enjoyed the show and what I purchased was bought with loose change as I am fairly stocked up with balsa etc.
Was good to see D B being embraced by so many people when he walked up the line and having loads of selfies, his commentating is sorely missed IMHO.
Why was there no "Reds" display on Sunday,anyone know?
Now that I am older I thought it was nice I seemed to have more patience,turns out  I don't give  a sh*t

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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2018, 17:15:28 PM »
I was on the flight line filming all day Saturday (including the Night display). Several videos already published. Lots more to come. Look here on my YouTube channel or Facebook group for daily uploads. Filmed in pro UltraHD\4K at 60 frames per second!

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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2018, 07:13:54 AM »
I suppose its a matter between using large models to enthuse people to participate or it being off-putting as "I can't afford, store, or transport that".

I have stopped going to shows. Used to enjoy Blackbushe, which appeared to me even to the end to be nearer than most to a "club show".  The mass "Habu" or "Wildcat" demos, etc were the best bits, Exciting and demoing something affordable. IMO shows now are largely irrelevant to encouraging participation in the hobby.

(I was the other side of the fence participating many years ago, 73-76, part of a team that used .40 and .61 sized models. As said, they'd look like toy micros now.)

However, a dying hobby? Only if we let it.  This summer holidays I will be running sessions for pairs of boys per day from my school engineering club. I will be using Mpx EasyStar and Bixler 2's initially, as cruising on 2200mAh 3S the duration is good. From past experience about a third of the boys will reach solo hand launch belly land status after three sessions.

I have boys building correx glides and BMFA rubber kits.  Last session was by THEIR request and I had ten attend.

Since I have ex-pupils at Uni still participating in RC flight (one is the President of the Uni RC Society!) it CAN be done, and just for once I'd like to see people put more effort into supporting and encouraging our youth than bemoaning their smartphone and playstation culture!
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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2018, 07:54:35 AM »
Our club does something along the lines that Brave Dan describes. We have a member who is a teacher; each year he brings along five or six youngsters and a group of us get them flying various trainer and glider type models on buddy boxes as well as demonstrating some of the more sophisticated aircraft. Combine that with a BBQ and some decent weather and everyone has a good day. Apparantly the kids talk about it for weeks afterwards.
We do the same thing with the local ATC cadets, again very well received.
One of the problems is transport, getting the children interested is OK, but they then have to convince their parents to take them to the field, which with all the pressures of life is much harder!
Whoops, sorry I hijacked your thread Pete :co

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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2018, 10:14:30 AM »
To revert to strictly comment on current RC Shows, and the "ice-cream lickers". And engaging "Devil's Advocate" mode..............

People go to Aquarium shops in Garden Centres - They have no intention of owning fish, its a free viewing and "pay to view" Aquaria are expensive.

People go to full size flying displays, they have no intention of or ability to buy a Spitfire or Eurofighter Typhoon.

RC Clubs are under more and more pressure to reduce their impact to the environment and public.

Huge models at shows, extremely noisy prop hanging Extras and space hungry screaming Jets spewing smoke everywhere (and fireworks at night long after usual planning laws would allow a club to operate) are so out of frame that I suspect (and have experienced) public who MIGHT get interested, led on by the expectation of similar exciting exploits, who then go to a club to be faced with a "tiny" trainer and hours of learning formal circuit flying IF an instructor turns up, the weather is right, the club trainer has not been broken, someone has remembered to buy fuel, etc, etc, etc.............................  Its tantamount to luring people in under false pretences.

SOMEONE has their sums wrong! Inviting (or expecting) trade to support these huge shows is IMO extremely unlikely to sell product capable of use by beginners in clubs. And savvy modellers will have their supply paths now well established for all normal purchases. There is a disconnect which needs addressing.

The Village Fete type "club model" show is far more likely to bring in new people to the hobby, and far less likely to encourage ice-cream lickers.

 
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Re: Weston Park !
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2018, 21:07:51 PM »
I'm not sure a model show will attract NEW modellers. But they used to be aimed at the average sport flier who flew normal cost planes and persuaded them to part with beer vouchers to buy the next model they wanted. Now it seems to be a spectacular, with amazing models and pilots so far away from club level nobody could even consider seeing a model flying then rush off to buy one at a show special price. Not knocking the shows, just stating a fact.

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