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*NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« on: September 08, 2014, 12:16:04 PM »
At a small electric event on Sunday and got to meet Stuart from HobbyKing. He brought along, the soon to be released EFX Racer. Looks like a winner. Will be available 1st week of October apparently. As my club mates I'll be snapping one up that's for sure. It really whistles around...which was why it was very hard to keep my camera on it...

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2014, 13:04:30 PM »
great looking plane, which it should be as it's a total rip off from the Zephyr slope glider.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2181526

things actually got legal on that thread.

i can see me having one tho, I think if the Reds were to have formed now and not the early 2000's this is what we'd have been flying.
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2014, 16:55:32 PM »
Superb - i'll be having one  :af
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2014, 17:31:47 PM »
great looking plane, which it should be as it's a total rip off from the Zephyr slope glider.

Looking at the two pictures above - the fuselage is a vaguely similar shape, but the wing is a different shape (different aspect ratio, different taper ratio) as is the tailplane and indeed the fin. Both are sleek-looking aeroplanes with low wings and dummy cam-cover bulges, but that's about it really. The Durafly design has a chin air-intake, a lower-set tailplane, etc etc. If fact if it is claimed that the "copy" of the Zephyr, then the designer of the Zephyr should acknowledge that his design is every bit as much a rip-off as it's obvious inspiration - the Mig-3. To be honest, it looks more as if the Zephyr is a rip-off of the Ivan Capuyns/Win Lentges "Tsunaumi" F3d racer (circa 1993).

Essentially this uppety american seems to think that anytrhing with two wings and a tailplane must be a copy of his design. As HK have rightly pointed out - he needs to be a little more selective as to which body oriface he speaks through.

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2014, 18:14:52 PM »
The more 'switched on' Hobbyking fans amongst us would have noticed the intended release of this model some months ago. :study:

http://youtu.be/_C3xDtm0Sg4


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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2014, 18:15:37 PM »
clearly the HK ones a little fatter and has the cooling scoop given it's leccy, but if you look at the overlays in that thread very little has been changed, enough to suggest it's been a very big inspiration if not an exact trace.

i don't think it's mig3 look has ever been denied, it's a part of the design look
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2014, 19:01:19 PM »
Just went through the RCG thread and it's quite interesting where loyalties lie. Also interesting how most people haven't a clue when it come to the protection of intellectual property.

I'd sum the matter up as saying that the HK model is clearly 'influenced' by the the Zephyr but to say it's a copy is not correct.
As PDR says, the Zephyr design has also been influenced by previous designs.
The Zephyr had ZERO IP protection so anyone could copy it anyway.
The other thing that keeps being brought up is the 'morality' of the supposed copying. The actuality is that HK are a huge and very wealthy company so are they ever going to be that concerned about such an alleged action anyway? It doesn't make it right but it's big business and that's often how things work.

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2014, 20:33:28 PM »
i don't think it's mig3 look has ever been denied, it's a part of the design look

I'll deny it.  Never seen anything that looked less like a MiG 3  (unless 2 wings and a tailplane is the standard of proof we're now looking for?)

This is not the first thread I've read of its ilk on US forums - they get very protective of their own.  Of course, they are not averse to ripping off others designs, which practice is usually hailed as a shining example of good ol' 'merican free enterprise.

Like the Zeph EFX Racer though - it may go on the list...

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2014, 22:09:26 PM »
Saw these flying at the HK Festival of Flight on Saturday. Not quite as fast as I was expecting but still pretty nice. Apparently there are two configurations in the box with different prop sizes; but why would anyone want a 'slower' option  $%&

According to the warehouse-ladies, they're in the UK already. ús at the ready....  :D


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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2014, 22:35:07 PM »
Order one, in my experience it won't turn up....  :''
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2014, 23:47:20 PM »
i'd rather it pulled up!
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2014, 15:13:39 PM »
In stock at hobby king all warehouses
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2014, 16:36:05 PM »
In stock at hobby king all warehouses
one less yellow one.....
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2014, 16:55:43 PM »
one less yellow one.....

2 less yellow ones  :)

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2014, 17:13:36 PM »
AARRGGHH!! PLEASE!!

That's "two FEWER yellow ones"

 >:( >:( >:(

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2014, 18:08:17 PM »
That's what I said, to less yella ones  :ev

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2014, 20:40:12 PM »
Its out! Buy now before there are LESSER of them left in stock  ;D

My order's in  :af


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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2014, 21:14:02 PM »
one fewer one???
in what world does that make sense
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2014, 21:19:10 PM »
Two more less then.

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2014, 21:23:15 PM »
unless, mine is less yellow... sort of canary yellow rather than ford signal yellow.....

oh god, the horror!!!
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2014, 21:49:57 PM »
If less is more, does that mean that the more people buy one, the less chance there is that there will be more left in stock; or does if mean less people will have fewer chances to have more opportunities to be disappointed, therefore lessening their satisfaction?

Or have I got that wrong? Either way, there are fewer chances that this will be the least slow model I have ever owned.

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2014, 21:50:52 PM »
People vying to be the lesser of a few feebles, I see.

Don't know why people are getting so excited about what is clearly just a rip-off of a Super 60 (with a few dimensions changed for legal reasons).

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2014, 22:03:08 PM »
Hmm, I only ever had a Mini-Super, and that was a bit fast for me. I better order some bicycle clips too.

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2014, 22:05:40 PM »
awww crap... i've just seen the vid.
100 mph out of the box it claims.
I've only got a 6x4 shed, and it's already got one hole in the roof, i'd better open it up in the garden...
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2014, 22:51:53 PM »

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2014, 12:48:52 PM »
Mines just arrived, YAY! Might have a test flight Saturday  :xx :xx

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2014, 13:07:43 PM »
Mines just arrived, YAY! Might have a test flight Saturday  :xx :xx

Saturday? What's the holdup? Its only lluchtime on Thursday and it says 'Plug&Fly'  $%&  ;D

Mine's arriving tomorrow. Race?

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2014, 16:51:15 PM »
Pesky work getting in the way, I won't be able to open the box till Saturday morning  ;D

Race on after that, I have a 5x5 APC on standby  :uk:

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2014, 19:42:53 PM »
it flies  ;D

Went together in 30 minutes. Only thing to watch out for was that the rudder and elevator pushrods are not clamped into the servo arms, and the supplied allen key to do the job doesn't fit.

Only managed one flight. Needed a fair bit of down trim but this turned out to be because I had accidental added a couple of degrees of up when setting up, so the elevator is now perfectly level. Underarm hand launch worked fine; no problem getting away.

I set low rates at the bottom of the recommended range and it was smooth and responsive.

Jeezo, it shifts.... ;D  Great fun.
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2014, 20:16:27 PM »
Maiden flight on mine today (in blustery conditions).

Yup, very nice indeed!  No, it's not a competition model - it's a lump of foam.  Very smooth foam, admittedly.

First flight on an old 3S 2200 / 6x5 set up, then switched to a new 4S 1800 / 5x5. 

Needed quite a bit of downtrim at first, so might add a touch of downthrust (if I get around to it.......), but tracks very well for 24oz model.

Easy underarm launch, very noisy, rapid and agile. Inverted, knife edge, etc.

Low wing loading means it slows up safely for landing.  No sign of tip stall.

It's a keeper!   :)

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2014, 19:54:06 PM »
wow!
this thing is so stable, so soild ( and it was blowing and turbulent today ) that the speed is easy, you could cope at twice the speed.
but it's oh so nice, all three here have also needed downtrim, and we'd reccomend gluing the tailplane not just relying on that plastic link.
i'm right on the bubble of 55mm if not behind it, i've got 10mm of elevator ( moved the link in one on the elevator servo ) and with just 3/4 stick i'm bending those wings right up in turns, but it's not compaling, i flicked a turn so hard this afternoon it came out the other side at lightspeed!
full throttle loops were probably 15' diameter and no flicking out.

interestingly 3 cell on a decent pack is similar to 4 cell on a 20c, but give it a pack that can cope and it's howling off into the distance.

very very! impressive lump of 90 quid foam.

if you don't buy before they run out, you will be disapointed.

oh, and yellows faster :D
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2014, 11:02:31 AM »
oh, and yellows faster :D

Looks like lots of people fell for that one - yellow now OOS!

Some encouraging reviews/endorsements here and as a result there is now LESS stock of red as well... :''

If you've got a spare Mega 16/15/3 lying around, then the kit only version at under 50 quid looks like a bargain too.

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2014, 13:34:13 PM »
Thanks for that Mike, Didn't realise it was done in a kit only version that's the one for me, I have a mega 16/15/3 and a 4 waiting for new homes, Will probably fit the 4 initially on a 6x6 camspeed to get used to the model then go over to the 3, But you never know the 4 might be enough for my reactions these days, Other thing is i prefer to fit my own servos as i never have a lot of confidence with some of the servos fitted to these artf's, So i'll fit the good old HS65MG which up to now have never let me down (might be opening a can of worms there)


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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2014, 13:58:23 PM »
should be perfect. i wouldn't worry about the faster motor, even on 3 cell its probably the quickest leccy thing i own, but doesn't feel it. real confidence building thing
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2014, 14:23:42 PM »
Hi Guys

After watching a couple of these in my club yesterday both on 3 cell and 4 cell, the general consensus was that they are built well fly great for your first Fast electric but no as quick as all the hype that seems to be coming about it. A little disappointed to tell the truth. ???

I personally will continue with my YT Voodoo  :af :af
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2014, 16:31:38 PM »
they are never goning to match a voodoo.
discussion quickly turned at our field to how to make it quicker, carbon this, uprate that, replace this.. at that point, why the hell are you trying to make a 90 quid lump of foam faster.
we've already had a 4 cell set up give a hint of flutter.

it's fast enough, you just need some buddies to race with, and fly closer/lower on those passes. ;)
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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2014, 19:24:51 PM »
Thanks for that Mike, Didn't realise it was done in a kit only version that's the one for me, I have a mega 16/15/3 and a 4 waiting for new homes, Will probably fit the 4 initially on a 6x6 camspeed to get used to the model then go over to the 3, But you never know the 4 might be enough for my reactions these days, Other thing is i prefer to fit my own servos as i never have a lot of confidence with some of the servos fitted to these artf's, So i'll fit the good old HS65MG which up to now have never let me down (might be opening a can of worms there)

Out of curiosity, I tried pricing out motor, esc and servo combos separately, but of course I couldn't do it for less than the 90-odd quid for the PnP.

Be careful with the kit version though.  In the pics on the website it looks as if the motor mount ring is set well back, i.e. for an 'overhung' outrunner.  I'm guessing some mods would be required to install a can-type inrunner motor like the Mega  $%&

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2014, 21:04:18 PM »
Out of curiosity, I tried pricing out motor, esc and servo combos separately, but of course I couldn't do it for less than the 90-odd quid for the PnP.

Be careful with the kit version though.  In the pics on the website it looks as if the motor mount ring is set well back, i.e. for an 'overhung' outrunner.  I'm guessing some mods would be required to install a can-type inrunner motor like the Mega  $%&
Yes i had noticed that Mike but i have done that sort of mod before, If it came to the worst i have a number of outrunners in the 2200 to 3000k/v range on the shelf plus plenty speed controllers and loads of servos and i would far prefer to fit out any model with my own tackle especially something travelling at these sort of speeds.

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2014, 21:35:44 PM »
it is designed for rear mounted motors yes
I know you believe you understand what you think i said, but i am not sure you realise that what you think you heard is not what i meant.

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Re: *NEW* HobbyKing EFX Racer
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2014, 21:36:16 PM »
they are never goning to match a voodoo.
discussion quickly turned at our field to how to make it quicker, carbon this, uprate that, replace this.. at that point, why the hell are you trying to make a 90 quid lump of foam faster.
we've already had a 4 cell set up give a hint of flutter.

it's fast enough, you just need some buddies to race with, and fly closer/lower on those passes. ;)

Agreed.

There look to be quite a few ways to reduce the drag, by hiding the linkages and cutting off the lumps and bumps on the fuselage.  Probably easier to build a simple, skinny box fuselage from balsa (just big enough to accept the battery), and add a flat plate wing on top.

Too much bother, really.  The thing is good as it is........

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