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Author Topic: BMFA needs our help on UK Consultation on Drones (Including Model Aircraft)  (Read 1041 times)

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Hi Guys,

I just saw this on the BMFA website.

The BMFA needs our help to respond before the 17th of September 2018 to a UK Government Consultation on Proposals for new legislation for Drones(Including Model Aircraft).

It's a bit of a pain to fill in but the BMFA have been kind enough to produce a document with the answers they are using and suggest that we use to help provide a common point of view.

The BMFA article is here:

https://www.bmfa.org/News/News-Page/ArticleID/2539/UK-Government-consultation-on-the-Future-of-Drones-in-the-UK-We-need-your-help-before-17th-September

The link to the suggested answers are here:

https://www.bmfa.org/Portals/0/CEO/ConsultationResponse.pdf

The actual online form is here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/drone-legislation-use-restrictions-and-enforcement

Can be completed directly online or using a response form via email.

Tim.



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Be warned - there's about 100 questions (depending on which options you select for some answers), and the last few are asking you about things on which most of us have no way of forming a view (with no "how the feck would I know" option...

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Well, I've completed the survey and I agree with Peter. As a consultation document I regard it as seriously flawed - riddled with assumptions trying to force answers that are not appropriate to model flying. NOWHERE is there any real recognition that a F/F rubber model weighing 251g is any different to a multi-rotor, highly sophisticated drone capable of carrying drugs into prisons!!!
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The more I think about this survey, the more appalling I regard it as being. It is shot through with questions at the level of 'Have you stopped beating your wife - yes or no?'. There is no opportunity to make basic points - that it is an exercise of one size fits all when it clearly doesn't. To my mind this document gives no opportunity for genuine consultation.
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I completed this survey a few days ago. It seemed to me that it was compiled by a very junior or very naive member of the D of T. Whoever compiled it had no knowledge at all of any form of UAV whether a rubber powered F/F model or a sophisticated commercial multi-copter or all things in between. I think this is particularly apparent in the section of questions relating to intercepting drones about to do something naughty. Clearly it doesn't recognise that such craft may be entirely autonomous so shooting it down isn't really an option. As most/ all UAV's that are in the hands of hobby type users employ radio control on 2.4 Ghz and employ some form of frequency hopping control protocol so taking control won't happen. If I'm a terrorist I would program my IED carrying drone to detonate once it detected a high level interfering signal and let the news media do the rest!


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I completed this survey a few days ago. It seemed to me that it was compiled by a very junior or very naive member of the D of T. Whoever compiled it had no knowledge at all of any form of UAV whether a rubber powered F/F model or a sophisticated commercial multi-copter or all things in between. I think this is particularly apparent in the section of questions relating to intercepting drones about to do something naughty. Clearly it doesn't recognise that such craft may be entirely autonomous so shooting it down isn't really an option. As most/ all UAV's that are in the hands of hobby type users employ radio control on 2.4 Ghz and employ some form of frequency hopping control protocol so taking control won't happen. If I'm a terrorist I would program my IED carrying drone to detonate once it detected a high level interfering signal and let the news media do the rest!
Couldn't agree more!! It is a truly ignorant piece of work. If it wasn't so bloody serious for the future of our hobby it would be a joke.
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In several places on the form I have queried how "drone electronic effectors" can be reasonably used in the DETECTION of crimes (which was part of the question they asked).

There was nowhere on the form to add it, but I feel we should look to get them done for plagiarising the late Iain M Banks' term "Effector" without suitable attribution.

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I haven't filled it out yet, just trying to get my head around some of the terminology?

Can someone tell me what 'drone electronic effectors' are please? I have tried a search on it and came up with zilch!
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Haven't a clue - but the very use of such obtuse terminology says it all
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I haven't filled it out yet, just trying to get my head around some of the terminology?

Can someone tell me what 'drone electronic effectors' are please? I have tried a search on it and came up with zilch!

They seem to mean something that will interfere with the electronics controlling the drone and presumably cause it to land - or in our case crash somewhere!

I completed the document because, if nothing else, it at least lets the authorities know I am interested enough to make an effort and may be willing to push back against unacceptable legislation.

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They seem to mean something that will interfere with the electronics controlling the drone and presumably cause it to land - or in our case crash somewhere!

I completed the document because, if nothing else, it at least lets the authorities know I am interested enough to make an effort and may be willing to push back against unacceptable legislation.

Dick

Although you might be right, putting an ambiguous/vague phrase into a document that has far reaching implications on the hobby in the UK is frankly shoddy. It should have been proof read by a grown up who knows what they're talking about and put it in language that isn't open to interpretation.

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So, I thought I'd take a different tack, and started to look at the average punter filling in the form offline downloaded to EMail back.

It is an .odt file, and if you don't know what that means, Google will completely blank ".odt" or ".odt file" enquiries, so is no help. 

It loads into Word 2010, and is read as a "OpenDocument Text" file (Obviously!).

Start to fill it in and on the third entry you'll likely trip over, as where you need to put something (no indication of what is required, tick, cross, Y, or what) is a blank picture frame you won't get plain text into.  NICE



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OK Bad, I have now read and digested that lot. Now please would you tell me which way is up? As I now am completelie desiontoriated  :embarassed: :-\ :embarassed: :-\
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