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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2019, 22:21:42 PM »
https://consultations.caa.co.uk/finance/drone-registration/supporting_documents/CAP1775DroneRegistrationChargeConsultationDocument.pdf am I reading correctly all rc aircraft operators need to register and pay £16.50 not just drones ?

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2019, 08:24:40 AM »
https://consultations.caa.co.uk/finance/drone-registration/supporting_documents/CAP1775DroneRegistrationChargeConsultationDocument.pdf am I reading correctly all rc aircraft operators need to register and pay £16.50 not just drones ?

This was stated right from the earliest moment when EASA said there was no way to delineate between types and purpose used of all UAVs. That was now a considerable time ago. Every model will have to carry a visible registration unique to the Operator.  The Operator has to pay (annually) to gain and stay registered and submit on (at least) first application to an as yet unclear online training/verification process.
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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2019, 09:35:07 AM »
This was stated right from the earliest moment when EASA said there was no way to delineate between types and purpose used of all UAVs. That was now a considerable time ago. Every model will have to carry a visible registration unique to the Operator.  The Operator has to pay (annually) to gain and stay registered and submit on (at least) first application to an as yet unclear online training/verification process.
And under 18s are not allowed to own models or drones- the can fly them but not own them. Which is odd as they cant register either. Barmy.


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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2019, 15:02:53 PM »
Seems to be an "age of responsibility" thing.
Under 18s can’t register as an “operator”, but they can pass the test and register as a “remote pilot”.
I guess this means they can then fly a model provided there is a registered operator present to “supervise” the flight, and the model has the registered operators number on it.

Going to be fun administering (or policing) that!
Peel-able sticky labels with your operators number on could be useful  ::)

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2019, 16:02:13 PM »
Has anyone watched Bruce's suggestions ?, and no not the ones about his accent,,, :uk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_-Cp6uJKjs
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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2019, 17:24:10 PM »
Seems to be an "age of responsibility" thing.
Under 18s can’t register as an “operator”, but they can pass the test and register as a “remote pilot”.
I guess this means they can then fly a model provided there is a registered operator present to “supervise” the flight, and the model has the registered operators number on it.

Going to be fun administering (or policing) that!
Peel-able sticky labels with your operators number on could be useful  ::)

Dick

Well, they would not possibly adopt double standards, would they!  For example ex military and other historic are not expected to show their G-xxxx registrations externally, so we should not be expected to show OUR registered number externally on scale models and spoil the appearance of the model either!
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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2019, 08:04:24 AM »
To my mind, it has all gone so stupid that its best ignored. Are they going to fine all 50,000 (or 170,000 as they imagine) a grand each? How are they going to find us? They cant access the BMFA database as that is against the law, are they going to raid model clubs? I can imagine a police raid (wearing riot gear) on our airfield on a dull windy day and them finding one person running in a engine. Even if caught in the act of aviation, how do they prove who was flying? Thee is no physical connection to a model. If this thing was free, I imagine only 20% registering, but £16.50 a year (at least) will just annoy everyone.


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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2019, 11:28:44 AM »
BMFA has made a statement;

https://bmfa.org/News/News-Page/ArticleID/2584/UK-MODEL-FLYING-UNDER-THREAT-CALL-TO-ACTION-–-PLEASE-ACT-NOW

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #50 on: May 01, 2019, 12:46:43 PM »
the questionnaire is asking a major loaded question, what we think of the proposed fee, or how else it should be funded.

No mention of whether the concept is valid in the first place.

And is their estimate of the number of drones realistic?  from kids toys through to professional operators, this is just sticking a wet finger in the air and guessing.

suffice to say my written answers have been a little scathing...
Confucious he say "more than one aircraft in the same airspace leads to structural failure"

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #51 on: May 01, 2019, 14:48:10 PM »
Please all, send a polite and informative email with your thoughts and misgivings to baroness.vere@dft.gov.uk
The CAA are not going to listen to reason, she may.

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #52 on: May 01, 2019, 16:49:17 PM »
Its just two and a half years since I got this. Whats changed?

Dear Mr Thompson

Thank you for expressing interest in the UAS Prototype Rule.

We had and we are still having intensive discussions on the inclusion of model aircraft in our regulatory proposal, and how to differentiate between a model aircraft and a drone operator flying for leisure.

We are trying to give as much flexibility as we can.

With regard to your query, if you fly under a model club nothing will change for you. I would like to refer you for example to Article 15 of the UAS draft proposal (Prototype Rule, for your convenience I report it below). It gives the possibility to the national competent authority to issue an authorisation to model clubs identifying deviations from the European rule, no further risk assessment is required. In this way we are allowing the model clubs to operate as they do today giving maximum freedom. So if you fly within the remit of a club recognized by your national authority, you do not need to comply with the European rule since we know that a model club already imposes rules providing a sufficient level of safety.  Therefore I expect that not much will change for people flying under model clubs rules and no modification could be required to their aircraft.

Still we need to regulate the flight of UAS outside of model clubs and in order to reduce the risk, we defined limitations in energy (weight and speed or level of injury).

 

Regarding model aircraft we are meeting with model associations, including BMFA, FAI and other national clubs and with their help we will improve the draft text further, if needed.

 

As you may know we keep aviation safety as high priority and we hope this draft regulation allows the UAS market to develop safely in Europe, without negatively impacting other categories such as the model hobbyist. The purpose of publishing the “prototype” version of the regulatory proposal, while we are still working on it, was exactly to receive comments from all interested stakeholders.

So thank you for sharing your thoughts and I hope my answer helped to show that we do not intend to impede on model flights.

 

 

Article 15

Transitional provisions

For recreational operations of UA, such as leisure flights, air displays, sport or competition activities, conducted in the frame of associations or clubs with proven satisfactory safety records and performed under national systems before this Regulation enters into force, the following transitional provisions shall apply:

1. By [3 years after entry into force of this Regulation — estimate 2020], the competent authority shall issue operational authorisations to associations or clubs for the operations which would otherwise require an authorisation according to Subpart B of Annex I to this Regulation.

2. An operational authorisation can be issued without the need to conduct the operational risk assessment referred to in UAS.SPEC.60.

3. Operational authorisations issued under this Article shall define the conditions, limitations and deviations from the requirements of Subpart B of Annex I to this Regulation.

 

Best regards,

 

Natale Di Rubbo

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2019, 10:17:40 AM »
I completed the CAA on-line consultation process a few days ago, and yesterday I emailed the CAA, the DfT, and my MP.

I politely pointed out that I was already registered (with the BMFA) and have passed a competency test (BMFA again) and invited them to read the BMFA letter which I attached.

I also pointed out that the BMFA, and the other modelling organisation,s were willing to provide everything that is required of registration at far lower cost or complexity.

It doesn’t have to be a long email, just so long as you contact them and let them know where you stand.

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #54 on: May 02, 2019, 11:00:14 AM »
Opps, with a name like yours are you sure that they will read it ?.
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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2019, 11:11:48 AM »
I completed the CAA on-line consultation process a few days ago, and yesterday I emailed the CAA, the DfT, and my MP.

I politely pointed out that I was already registered (with the BMFA) and have passed a competency test (BMFA again) and invited them to read the BMFA letter which I attached.

I also pointed out that the BMFA, and the other modelling organisation,s were willing to provide everything that is required of registration at far lower cost or complexity.

It doesn’t have to be a long email, just so long as you contact them and let them know where you stand.

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baroness.vere@dft.gov.uk If enough of us make a nuisance of ourselves they may go for an easier option.

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2019, 12:01:47 PM »
The latest from our BMFA chairman;

BMFA President,
Vice Presidents.
Fellows,
Honorary Members,
Directors,
Tech Committee Chairmen,
Specialist Body Chairmen,

1st May 2019

Dear Sir Michael & all,
BMFA RESPONSE TO CAP 1775
I am sure that most of you will by now be aware of the Civil Aviation Authority’s
consultation document (Cap 1775) on their proposed charges for the registration of
all operators of unmanned aircraft over 250 gm in weight – which potentially includes
all of our members. Details of the proposal and links to the source documents have
been posted on the BMFA website along with a ‘Call to Action’ for members, not only
to respond robustly to the narrowly-constructed consultation, but also to write to the
CAA, The Aviation Minster and local MPs expressing politely but firmly the strength
of feeling at the way the well-established model flying associations have been
treated. The DfT have disregarded the concessions made within the EASA
regulations for model flying in their own policy development and the CAA have
ignored our repeated offers of advice and assistance in developing appropriate,
effective and enforceable regulations in the UK.
The CAA’s proposed registration management system is hugely expensive to
develop and run (£2.8M p.a.) and their assumed figure for the likely number of
registrations from which they deduce the annual cost to individuals of £16.50 does
not stand up to scrutiny. This is totally disproportionate to the proven risk from model
flying and must not be allowed to happen. There are also a number of
inconsistencies in the legislation that need further examination and clarification such
as the definition of ‘drone operator’ and ‘remote pilot’ as they apply to conventional
model flying as opposed to semi-autonomous drones. This has significant
implications for determining who has to register and the application of minimum age
restrictions. We have posed the questions but not yet received a response from the
CAA.
I do not propose to repeat the detail of the Call to Action which can be read from the
BMFA website. A copy has now been printed and will be delivered to every BMFA
member with the next BMFA News, which has just gone to press. However, I do
want to ensure that you are all aware of the huge amount of work that has been
going on to fight our cause, and the level of support that we are receiving from the
wider sporting aviation community.
You will not be surprised that David Phipps, our hard-working Chief Executive, has
had very little sleep since the announcement last Friday. In addition to drafting the
Call to Action over the weekend he has been working tirelessly with the LMA, SAA
and FPV UK, along with our advisers Cliff Whittaker and Roger Hopkinson MBE, to
develop an agreed strategy and line to take with the Press. I was pleased to be able
to join them in a teleconference yesterday evening. Roger has also written a succinct
and robust paper which highlights the inappropriate and disproportionate impact of
the proposed regulations on model flying and seeks appropriate corrective action.
The paper will be submitted to the General & Business Aviation Strategic Forum
when it meets next week. The CEO of the CAA (Richard Moriarty) and senior DfT
officials will be present at the Forum. David has also been maintaining contact with
the new Aviation Minster and the CAA CEO and has sent them each a courtesy copy
of the Call to Action.
Following on from this work, David raised our concerns with the General Aviation
Awareness Council and has also sought assistance from the All Party Parliamentary
Group on General Aviation. The Call to Action has been circulated to all other
sporting aviation bodies within the RAeC and the Microlight Aircraft Association,
Light Aircraft Association, British Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association and
British Aerobatics Association have already expressed their support, along with
Cranfield and the Air League.
I hope that this reassures you that, notwithstanding whatever you may read in the
Press or on various forum posts, the BMFA is fighting and lobbying extremely hard to
defend our members’ position and seek a sensible and workable outcome. We have
secured a growing breadth and weight of support which we now hope to translate
into action. No doubt this will be a hot topic for discussion at the forthcoming BMFA
Executive and Council Meetings but you should now be in a better position to answer
any queries from members as to what the BMFA is doing for them.

Yours sincerely,

Ian Pallister FSMAE
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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2019, 13:16:57 PM »
Opps, with a name like yours are you sure that they will read it ?.

If you mean me, then I have the same first name as the head of the CAA and used that in the mails rather than my nickname.
But I am willing to try anything to get the message across  :).

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #58 on: May 02, 2019, 13:20:34 PM »
Also please email
baroness.vere@dft.gov.uk If enough of us make a nuisance of ourselves they may go for an easier option.

Yes, that's who I meant by DfT.
Already had a reply from her:-
        "Thank you for your e-mail. We aim to respond within 20 working days."   

 Might send a few reminders!

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #59 on: May 02, 2019, 14:47:10 PM »
The latest from our BMFA chairman;

BMFA President,
Vice Presidents.
Fellows,
Honorary Members,
Directors,
Tech Committee Chairmen,
Specialist Body Chairmen,

1st May 2019

Dear Sir Michael & all,
BMFA RESPONSE TO CAP 1775
I am sure that most of you will by now be aware of the Civil Aviation Authority’s
consultation document (Cap 1775) on their proposed charges for the registration of
all operators of unmanned aircraft over 250 gm in weight – which potentially includes
all of our members. Details of the proposal and links to the source documents have
been posted on the BMFA website along with a ‘Call to Action’ for members, not only
to respond robustly to the narrowly-constructed consultation, but also to write to the
CAA, The Aviation Minster and local MPs expressing politely but firmly the strength
of feeling at the way the well-established model flying associations have been
treated. The DfT have disregarded the concessions made within the EASA
regulations for model flying in their own policy development and the CAA have
ignored our repeated offers of advice and assistance in developing appropriate,
effective and enforceable regulations in the UK.
The CAA’s proposed registration management system is hugely expensive to
develop and run (£2.8M p.a.) and their assumed figure for the likely number of
registrations from which they deduce the annual cost to individuals of £16.50 does
not stand up to scrutiny. This is totally disproportionate to the proven risk from model
flying and must not be allowed to happen. There are also a number of
inconsistencies in the legislation that need further examination and clarification such
as the definition of ‘drone operator’ and ‘remote pilot’ as they apply to conventional
model flying as opposed to semi-autonomous drones. This has significant
implications for determining who has to register and the application of minimum age
restrictions. We have posed the questions but not yet received a response from the
CAA.
I do not propose to repeat the detail of the Call to Action which can be read from the
BMFA website. A copy has now been printed and will be delivered to every BMFA
member with the next BMFA News, which has just gone to press. However, I do
want to ensure that you are all aware of the huge amount of work that has been
going on to fight our cause, and the level of support that we are receiving from the
wider sporting aviation community.
You will not be surprised that David Phipps, our hard-working Chief Executive, has
had very little sleep since the announcement last Friday. In addition to drafting the
Call to Action over the weekend
any queries from members as to what the BMFA is doing for them.

Yours sincerely,

Ian Pallister FSMAE
BMFA Chairman
Can I just say here, that I for one, appreciate the efforts made. I hope it will all be worth it, but even if not, thank you BMFA, LMA et al.
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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #60 on: May 02, 2019, 22:50:08 PM »
Don't think that the police will not stage raids on club fields with only one member present.

A little while back I had engaged the services of a tree surgeon to remove my wayward model from a very tall tree in a wood alongside our flying field.

The tree surgeon came in a Land Rover and trailer with ladders chain saws and other equipment in trailer and vehicle.
They parked in the next field alongside the wood, equipped themselves with ladders and climbing irons and they and yours truly then proceeded into the wood.

After a while a Police BMW estate car arrived crewed with two full time constables and two police cadets.
They had received reports that we were nefarious individuals stealing Buzzards eggs.

For a while the officers watched the  proceedings and after much hilarious laughter they got bored and departed.

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2019, 06:59:33 AM »
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Don't think that the police will not stage raids on club fields with only one member present.

 lucky you, they would in France, a van full for two and the army for 3 modellers,,,

Now with 'vigipirat' most of our public meetings have disappeared, the roads around the club have to be closed, and a private security company needs paying to search the public, so it's finished for us, in 5 years modelling as we knew it will be no more,,,
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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2019, 10:35:34 AM »
Looks like the campaign is working - the BMFA have been invited to meet the aviation minister -
https://bmfa.org/News/News-Page/ArticleID/2585/IMPORTANT-UPDATE-CAA-PROPOSALS-PLEASE-READ-SHARE

Keep up the pressure though. We don't want them to think one meeting is enough to pacify us.

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #63 on: May 04, 2019, 10:48:52 AM »
Looks like the campaign is working - the BMFA have been invited to meet the aviation minister -
https://bmfa.org/News/News-Page/ArticleID/2585/IMPORTANT-UPDATE-CAA-PROPOSALS-PLEASE-READ-SHARE

Keep up the pressure though. We don't want them to think one meeting is enough to pacify us.

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #64 on: May 10, 2019, 10:30:10 AM »
I received the standard acknowledgement from the DfT, but after more than a week nothing so far from the CAA or my MP. I have just emailed both the CAA and my MP again asking for at least the courtesy of an "acknowledgement of receipt", and will continue doing so unti they respond or the BMFA says "stop"!

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2019, 08:18:26 AM »
Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere it’s a little bit of feedback from the CAA it’s more aimed at drone flyers but worth a watch just for the explanation of the cost and what can be expected https://youtu.be/BSi-KZhWagU

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #66 on: May 11, 2019, 12:29:58 PM »
Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere it’s a little bit of feedback from the CAA it’s more aimed at drone flyers but worth a watch just for the explanation of the cost and what can be expected https://youtu.be/BSi-KZhWagU
Unbelievable. He admits (around 11 minutes in) that the numbers have been plucked out of thin air. He smarmingly says that if numbers registering are more than the the 170,000 they assume then the price may go down. He does not say what happens if there are only 50,000 which is the most I would estimate. He also claims to be in active talks with the BMFA,  a barefaced lie. He says a million pounds has to be put aside for any problems. So this has to be paid for, by us. £2.8 million a year.

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #67 on: May 11, 2019, 21:59:59 PM »
Quite frigthening - an illustration of total irrelevance. This isn't a sledgehammer to crack a nut - it's a sledgehammer to miss the nut. Does anybody really believe this scheme will actually:-
a. Improve air safety?
b. Even work?
The worry is that the BMFA and clubs will only accept registered persons - so I can see a fair number of casual fliers just not bothering with BMFA/club membership and flying without insurance - and is this a good thing?
Also - what sort of on-line competency test will determine whether I can fly my Loaded Dice 40s through a Cuban 8 or not?
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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #68 on: May 12, 2019, 08:19:57 AM »
Online test.
Question 1
I can fly my drone -
a: In the local Mall
b: at Gatwick airport
c: in a field at least ten miles from civilisation

Please tick one only.

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #69 on: May 12, 2019, 22:11:04 PM »
BTW I have written to the Baroness, and being a polite sot of chap have used her full title:-
The Right Honourable the Baroness Vere of Norbiton, PC
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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #70 on: May 15, 2019, 18:24:33 PM »
Online test.
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a: In the local Mall
b: at Gatwick airport
c: in a field at least ten miles from civilisation

Please tick one only.

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #71 on: May 15, 2019, 19:57:24 PM »
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oh, thats just so true it hurts

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #72 on: May 16, 2019, 07:35:46 AM »
They are really taking us for idiots here in France, you can't fly a 800gm drone if you are Under 16 and you have to pass a test and register it with the DGAC, and put it's registration N° on it, because it is dangerous, but fly over 100 klm/h traffic and especially motorbikes isn't dangerous !! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :ev

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #73 on: May 20, 2019, 19:39:11 PM »
Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere it’s a little bit of feedback from the CAA it’s more aimed at drone flyers but worth a watch just for the explanation of the cost and what can be expected https://youtu.be/BSi-KZhWagU

Here is the full length version of the above interview with Jonathan Nicholson, Deputy Director Communications for the CAA .

The original posting was cut off early during the upload process - there is another 5 minutes worth to be watched here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es9bsJIZQ7Y&t=128s
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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #74 on: May 20, 2019, 22:01:11 PM »
5 minutes WORTH is not how I'd describe it.  Those trained in interview techniques and body language will likely notice a few "interesting" moments where the body seemed to be disagreeing with the mouth. .

Smacked of a pre-scripted (and likely pre-agreed) question list with zero intent to actually question HOW the scheme will be policed or how it will be more effective than pre-scheme former law?  Question "It's now December 2019, the Christmas surge of holiday flights has started , the scheme is in place, and reports of unidentified drones around Gatwick, etc start up again, what EXACTLY will be the process to deal with the issue?"   "What difference in actions taken will there be?"    "How exactly will this scheme improve the situation?"   " How will YOU, Mr CAA, ensure within this scheme that innocent people who are registered are not intimidated and dragged through life changing public apprehension and accusations by police and press?"  "What if the next time, unlike the Gatwick couple, the suddenly accused who happen to live in range did not have a cast iron alibi, tell us how your scheme will prevent this travesty of justice happening again, give us SOMETHING to show we are not just painting a large target on ourselves?"  "Why are you using the word "drone" when many do not relate that to UAV such as RC helicopters, etc?"

And as for the inane comments/questions by a few in that post thread, have they been locked in a darkened soundproof vault for the last two years?  To still be getting "this is only for drones, not planes, right?" type questions NOW, well..................  How many of these brain dead idiots will fail to realise that they have to register at all, let alone those that deliberately will not ....................   :banghead: 

Mr CAA, if the message truly has not got through BY NOW to all modellers, you are doing something very VERY wrong/inadequate with making it public! (the counter being that it is easy to sway the issue by "planting" suitably slanted comment ostensibly from public)

BTW, the other day I came close to a serious car accident when a driver, holding his phone up to his eyes while texting using both hands, failed to stop at a side road stop line, and took half of  the main road width away. I have dash cam footage, Police not interested. That law worked well, didn't it!! How will yours be better?

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #75 on: May 21, 2019, 08:42:29 AM »
Smacked of a pre-scripted (and likely pre-agreed) question list with zero intent to actually question HOW the scheme will be policed or how it will be more effective than pre-scheme former law?

I found the interview quite useful. In it the CAA bod confirmed that they intend to milk recreational SUA users to pay for a U-Space/UTM registration system that will be of little, if any, benefit to us.

Question "It's now December 2019, the Christmas surge of holiday flights has started , the scheme is in place, and reports of unidentified drones around Gatwick, etc start up again, what EXACTLY will be the process to deal with the issue?"

Counter-UAV systems are being installed for this scenario. By the end of the year, there will be no excuse for an airport shutting down for more than 30 minutes to deal with a 'drone' sighting.

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #76 on: May 21, 2019, 09:13:01 AM »
I found the interview quite useful. In it the CAA bod confirmed that they intend to milk recreational SUA users to pay for a U-Space/UTM registration system that will be of little, if any, benefit to us.

Counter-UAV systems are being installed for this scenario. By the end of the year, there will be no excuse for an airport shutting down for more than 30 minutes to deal with a 'drone' sighting.

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Yeah right. In the last case, the 'drone' was actually outside the exclusion zone and the pilot still diverted. My opinion is that these events, (if indeed they ARE drones) are instigated by eco-warriors to disrupt the airport usage. I wonder if the same publicity would be there if the drone had 'Amazon' written on it?

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #77 on: May 21, 2019, 09:34:08 AM »
The idea that a person under 18 can not own (be the operator) of a model or drone over 250 grams yet can fly one if they take the online test- which I cant wait to see- just shows the unreal world these DfT muppets live in. Imagine telling an under 18 that they can drive a car, but can not buy one? The £16.50 sum (who thought of that amount? Does it include VAT?) is a figure dreamed up by the office junior and has no comparison to the true figure- even if we ALL signed up. Please keep voicing your objections via this form-
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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #78 on: May 21, 2019, 10:19:50 AM »
The CAA are being very DISHONEST in selling this as a DRONE thing - it applies to ALL models over 250 gm!

THEY are also putting in more requirements than EASA require, ie EASA are happy for organisations like the BMFA, LMA, etc to register their members.

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Re: January 7th 2019 - Drone Law Changes
« Reply #79 on: May 21, 2019, 11:24:55 AM »
THEY are also putting in more requirements than EASA require, ie EASA are happy for organisations like the BMFA, LMA, etc to register their members.

They're just giving us a taste of what it will be like after Brexit, when UK is free to make our own laws rather than taking them from Brussels.

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