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BMFA Buckminster opens at 9am on Monday 8th May for model aircraft flying.

There is a site status box where you can see what activities are taking place on the current and coming days on the National Centre website at http://nationalcentre.bmfa.org/

Current weather conditions and upcoming weather forecast are also shown along with lots of other information.

Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday next week have been set aside for general RC sport flying and control line as a primary activity free flight as a secondary activity.

If you want to come along and fly, or just take a look around all you need to do is turn up, park in the stoned area and call in at receptionon arrival.

Currently a temporary runway is in use until the new main runway is ready.

There is also a Summer fly-in over the weekend of 10th & 11th of June which will be incorporating an RCMF fly-in, an ideal opportunity to come along and camp/caravan for the weekend and do some flying. Also an opportunity to take achievement scheme tests as we will have a number of examiners on hand.


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Fingers crossed for some good weather.  :xx  :af

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I am hoping tocome along for the fly-in.

Gonna drag along a few club members as well :af

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This looks good, I am looking forward to a day out there.
What does the primary and secondary activity mean.? If i brough a small free flight model would I be able to fly it at any time ?


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This looks good, I am looking forward to a day out there.
What does the primary and secondary activity mean.? If i brough a small free flight model would I be able to fly it at any time ?
Pretty much. Basically the primary activity will take priority with the secondary activities fitting in around it. There will be some days where sport free flight is the primary activity, the site is big enough for some free flight to take place at the same time as some RC so you shouldn't have a problem on most days, check the status box before leaving though.
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When can we expect some live cameras from the site?
Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool......

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When can we expect some live cameras from the site?
Its not high on the list of priorities.

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IMHO firstly it would be good for some of us a little way away to see it developing and people actually using it.

Then having seen it, it may make more people keener to go and use/visit.

Just my thoughts!
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Live cameras is actually quite an interesting idea, but the costs need to be considered. If you want to “raise it up the priorities” you could get together with like-minded individuals and sponsor the development/installation. A few of us in my area did just that recently with another idea for something we would like to see at the NFC.

I guess the big issue with live cameras might be getting permission from those being filmed and “published on the internet”, and also copyright for any resultant images. Worth thinking about though.

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I for one, would like to see a live feed of those there flying. I don`t see an issue with permissions though, I would guess you are on many live feeds during the day and at night time venues, with no-one asking for your permission. Copyright is only an issue if those with copies tried to make a revenue from it without permission, otherwise who would know who had what!
So, bump it up the priorities please. :af

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I also assume there will be security cameras there anyway.
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So  anyone actually flown there, is the runway/sun position good all day or just mornings etc. How is the approach to runway -treeless or a few obstacles.
Much more important than posing on a camera feed !! :banghead:

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So  anyone actually flown there, is the runway/sun position good all day or just mornings etc. How is the approach to runway -treeless or a few obstacles.
Much more important than posing on a camera feed ! :banghead:
The main runway is 300m long by 40m and near enough east-west. Pilots will be facing north so the sun isn't an issue. Approach is treeless, a hedge at the boundary of the land but that is way beyond each end of the runway so no obstacles at all.


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Looking north across the strip
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Looking east from centre of strip
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As I no longer have a viable sitefor anything decent, I am green with envy
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Unlike the main runway at Buckminster, which is desperate for a good period of rain.
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  Why no tarmac strip?


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The main runway is 300m long by 40m

  Why no tarmac strip?

Have you any idea what 12000 square metres of tarmac costs, not to mention foundations & prep....    ;D
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Have you any idea what 12000 square metres of tarmac costs, not to mention foundations & prep....    ;D
couple of irish guys asking if you want it done, as they have a bit left over from a job....

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Have you any idea what 12000 square metres of tarmac costs, not to mention foundations & prep....    ;D

Recently I spent a couple of years touring the USA and Canada in a RV naturally one of the lockers contained a couple of models and I visited quite a few clubs. The average club had a paved runway paved pits with model restraints simple roofed areas providing shade with seats and tables. These two pics are typical of 80% of the clubs I visited.

To say that I would be ashamed to take an International visitor along to our 'national flying site ' is a fair description.



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A tarmac or concrete runway has not been ruled out for the future.  The priority for the "phase 1" of development has been to deliver a useable flying site with basic facilities (including a sewerage processing plant), plus the reception area and indoor "events facility" and improvements to the entrance and access road.  This has been achieved - in expected timescales and within budget.  The last part of this will be a secure entrance gate.

Future developments will be dependant on finance - can you imagine the outcry if we spent ALL of the BMFA's accumulated reserves on delivering as many as possible of the "nice to haves" right at the start?

Other possible future developments, in order of priority, include:
 - tarmac control line circle (needed for Speed and Team-Race)
 - better toilets, possibly including showers
 - basic "bunk rooms"
 - refurbishment of the large barn such that it can house a visitor centre and museum (estimated at up to £1million due to the current condition)

Good usage levels will generate income.  Donations and sponsorship more so.
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To say that I would be ashamed to take an International visitor along to our 'national flying site ' is a fair description.
Thats a bit harsh considering what has been achieved in a relatively short time frame and with limited resources. The clubs you visited weren't gifted their runways and buildings for free, those facilities were funded by affluent members of prosperous clubs.  The vast majority of UK aeromodellers are on little more than state pension. Its a chalk and cheese comparison imho.
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Thats a bit harsh considering what has been achieved in a relatively short time frame and with limited resources. The clubs you visited weren't gifted their runways and buildings for free, those facilities were funded by affluent members of prosperous clubs.  The vast majority of UK aeromodellers are on little more than state pension. Its a chalk and cheese comparison imho.

That's a bit harsh Phil, I am sure that he will be at the front of the queue when they ask for personal donations towards the tarmac. :)

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Recently I spent a couple of years touring the USA and Canada in a RV naturally one of the lockers contained a couple of models and I visited quite a few clubs. The average club had a paved runway paved pits with model restraints simple roofed areas providing shade with seats and tables. These two pics are typical of 80% of the clubs I visited.

To say that I would be ashamed to take an International visitor along to our 'national flying site ' is a fair description.

How many of those fabulous flying sites were provided by the American and Canadian national model flying associations?  Also, how long have they been up and running?  Who actually paid for them?  The members or the city?  Did you think to ask?  The average club site over here is nothing like what you saw over there.  Would you be ashamed to take an international visitor to any of these sites too.  If an international visitor who expected every model club to have similar facilities to what you saw (and which I saw back in the 1980s when over in LA on a job) and came to our current small farmer's field site he'd marvel at the contrast between what you saw over there and what we have, and wonder why we even bother with the hobby:  the pot-holed 1/2-mile track leading to the field; the electric fence to keep the sheep off the runway which needs dismantling to fly and re-erecting afterwards;  the amount of sheep droppings to be negotiated between pits and strip;  the trees on 3 sides;  the stream on two sides.  Apart from that the international visitor would note just how friendly and welcoming everybody is, the lack of serious complaint regarding the venue which has 24/7 accessibility, and the excellent cooperation between fixed-wing, heli and jet flyers.  We have nothing to be ashamed of, and I for one salute the welcome efforts of the BMFA to create from scratch a national centre that most of us will be able to be proud of.

In my opinion your comment is an insult to a hard-working band of enthusiasts who are right at the start of a major project, doing their best for us all with what they have, and making a good fist of it to boot.

Gordon

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In my opinion your comment is an insult to a hard-working band of enthusiasts who are right at the start of a major project, doing their best for us all with what they have, and making a good fist of it to boot.

Gordon

Well the AMA the US equivalent to the BMFA  has a 1000 acre site at Muncie

Radio Control facilities include a large improved grass area for Soaring activities, four runways (3 asphalt, 1 grass), and helicopter specific grass areas.  Pylon and Aerobatics courses/boxes are permanently, and accurately marked.  Free Flight activities enjoy the use of the entire site.  Grass is kept manicured to facilitate model recovery and roads are developed to aid in model retrieval. 

Specially prepared areas for Control Line Aerobatics, Racing, Speed, and Combat feature eight asphalt circles and nine grass circles.  The Speed/Racing complex has permanent speed pylons and safety netting surrounding the area.  Speed pylons may be checked out by AMA members from the AMA Headquarters. 

Any AMA member can fly there for free as I did. I parked my RV at a site on site with water and electricity for I think 10 $ a night. It was hot and we need ed the AC to sleep.

The AMA actively assists member clubs to obtain and retain flying sites they even have a 20k $ fund to assist clubs who have had there sites trashed by a natural disaster. 

At least the BMFA has finally made a start on a national flying site. Perhaps a mighty oak tree will develop but at the moment it is an acorn with a slender sprout.

Somebody asked how much did it cost to join a typical club well I joined two while I was in the USA I stayed in Texas for the winter one year and paid $50 as a winter Texan to join. The other club I joined was in Albuquerque and I got a deal there as a wrinkly for $20 a year.

I was careful not to knock anyone but just pointed out that the BMFA with their long awaited National flying site have a way to to match the facilities on offer at a typical US small town club. 

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And how many members does the AMA have and what are the subs. Just checked it is 195,000 members

Plus I am pretty sure land in that part of the USA (Nowhereville Indiana) is pretty cheap compared to central England.

The BMFA have suggested a National Flying centre in the past but got little support, indeed there was a lot of opposition to the proposal for this site.

I say well done BMFA for getting to where we are so quickly.
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Well the AMA the US equivalent to the BMFA  has a 1000 acre site at Muncie

Radio Control facilities include a large improved grass area for Soaring activities, four runways (3 asphalt, 1 grass), and helicopter specific grass areas.  Pylon and Aerobatics courses/boxes are permanently, and accurately marked.  Free Flight activities enjoy the use of the entire site.  Grass is kept manicured to facilitate model recovery and roads are developed to aid in model retrieval. 

Specially prepared areas for Control Line Aerobatics, Racing, Speed, and Combat feature eight asphalt circles and nine grass circles.  The Speed/Racing complex has permanent speed pylons and safety netting surrounding the area.  Speed pylons may be checked out by AMA members from the AMA Headquarters. 

Any AMA member can fly there for free as I did. I parked my RV at a site on site with water and electricity for I think 10 $ a night. It was hot and we need ed the AC to sleep.

The AMA actively assists member clubs to obtain and retain flying sites they even have a 20k $ fund to assist clubs who have had there sites trashed by a natural disaster. 

At least the BMFA has finally made a start on a national flying site. Perhaps a mighty oak tree will develop but at the moment it is an acorn with a slender sprout.

Somebody asked how much did it cost to join a typical club well I joined two while I was in the USA I stayed in Texas for the winter one year and paid $50 as a winter Texan to join. The other club I joined was in Albuquerque and I got a deal there as a wrinkly for $20 a year.

I was careful not to knock anyone but just pointed out that the BMFA with their long awaited National flying site have a way to to match the facilities on offer at a typical US small town club.

Oh I knew all that.  The Muncie site is well established and not just starting up.  We don't need you to whinge that the BMFA has a long way to go with the site as we already accept that anyway.  It seems to me that rather than being careful not to knock any one person, you were careful to knock everyone concerned all at once.

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It looks as if BMFA Buckminster has its first champs lined up:   

The Great Britain Radio Control Aerobatic Association (GBRCAA) is holding its annual association championships on Saturday 5th August and Sunday 6th August 2017 at the BMFA National Centre, Buckminster, Lincolnshire.

This is a fantastic opportunity to come and fly with the GBRCAA, learn from the experts, improve your flying and participate in some friendly competition. The Clubman schedule is a great place to start and can be flown by any model capable of basic aerobatics such as a Wot 4 or similar so long as it is under 7kg. Clubman pilots are only required to hold a BMFA A certificate and first time entrants do not need to be members of the association.

We will have some great prizes on offer for Clubman pilots from BondAero and OptiPOWER including an Axiome 70 Biplane designed by F3A World Champion Christophe Paysant Le Roux. Further information can be found in the Competition News section of the GBRCAA forum



I hope that the weather holds for them.

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The silent flight Nationals will be taking place at BMFA Buckminster over the August Bank Holiday weekend too.

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The 38th "Radioglide" will also be held there this year at the end of May.
A weekend long major silent flight competition - I am looking forward to my first visit to Buckminster.

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My first visit to the new National centre yesterday to fly in the F5B competition at Radioglide.
The grass is growing well after the period of rain then sun, so the permanent runways are starting to look good. Not that we needed the runways for our gliders, and in fact we kept clear of them to avoid damaging the new grass before it is properly established.

The F5B competition was held at the western end of the site and I think it was Open/100s at the eastern end. I am not aware of any problems with 2 comps on the site simultaneously, so the Silent Flight Nationals later in the year should be OK.

Quite a few people are camping/caravanning on site for the weekend, and that seems to be working OK as well. I must say that it is nice to be on a site with proper flush toilets and hot running water available (portaloos were also available closer to the comp flight lines).

I have to say congratulations to all involved in getting this facility up and running. It’s not finished yet, but a fantastic start.

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Wow, been totally out of the loop on model flying for a couple of years now and, for what reason I have no idea, just remembered the proposed National Centre and thought I'd see what had become of it.

Looks pretty impressive! I'm reminded of the cheesy expression - 'Build and they will come'  ???

I confess that I wasn't convinced when it was all being suggested and wondered whether the money could be better spent trying to fund smaller scale regional sites that would be more accessible, but I have to say it looks pretty good and certainly, hats off to all of those hard working BMFA people who have obviously put a huge amount of time and effort into getting this off the ground, so to speak!

Well done.

PS Ha, ha, just noticed, for those of a motorcycling disposition, that the Bike8 route passes just north on the B676, so I must have been within a hedgerow's width on a few occasions!  ;D
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