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Getting my head around FrSky
« on: January 07, 2018, 16:46:19 PM »
Hi all,

From my thread about interference on my futaba 35mhz set it has become apparent that 2.4ghz systems have greater stability and have greater immunity to electrical noise caused by ESCs and motors.

Iíve been looking into the FrSky Taranis QX7 but Iím struggling to get my head around the selection of rxís etc.  I fly Fixed wing and helicopters and would like to have a 1 system fits all approach for simplicity.

I have a mixture of analogue and digital servos in my kits all standard or mini servos but no micros.  To date I only use 5 ch but expect this to change with more models available with flaps, retracts and special functions.  Which receiver set would work best with this?  If possible I would like to avail of the telemetry functionality in the future so any help from that front would be appreciated as well.

If Iím correct I was looking at a receiver with sbus output up to 16ch.  This would feed into a 16ch decoder which would serve my servos and data collection.  What is the reliability like with such a system?  How do I select the correct receiver for decent range.  I would say 1/2 mile would be a minimum range for safety even though itís unlikely I fly at a distance of more than a couple hundred yards as the crow flies from my tx.

Can anyone give me a description of their setups?

Thanks

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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2018, 21:33:05 PM »
I've been a frsky user for5 years or more, first with a hack module grafted into a Multiplex Evo TX and this year the Horus. Never has so much as a glitch ever.  There might be some short range micro RX but all of the 'normal' receivers are longer range that you will ever need.

For most people the 'standard' RX might be an X8R, used to be a D8, which is an 16 chnnel RX which will take 8 servos just plugged in and a further 8 on Sbus, or if using a 'proper' Frsky TX you can twin two receivers to get 1 to 16 channels / servos plugged in and a further 16 channels on Sbus.
There is now the S series of stabilised RX, plus mini and micro Rx, endless possibilities really.

The only reason that they haven't taken over the world is that people tend to be die hard about their radio brands and 'nothing that cheap can be any good'  They are wrong.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2018, 21:34:10 PM by stukno »

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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2018, 12:09:43 PM »
Quote,
 The only reason that they haven't taken over the world is that people tend to be die hard about their radio brands and 'nothing that cheap can be any good'  They are wrong.

 What rubbish, firstly, older pilots have for example a futaba system, so what are you going to do with 5/10 receivers at £50 each ?, they are also satisfied with them so why change ?, they are also used to the programming systems, especially Futaba Helicopter pilots and Multiplex  Glider Pilots. I do a lot of pilot formations with 2 radios, am I going to throw them away ?. :-\

I have seen a lot of new pilots arrive with these radios that they don't seem to get them to do what they want, while the other 'Branded' pilots just fly. :''
 
I use Futaba with Frsky receivers yes some are crap but some are as good as Futaba.  :af
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2018, 12:53:52 PM »
I think you miss the spirit of the post Paul..For those with an inventory of gear they are not likely to change lightly, but for a newcomer some of the later offerings of the budget radios make for  a much easier decision once they realise that they are a sh1tload more reliable than the mainstream radios of old.....(and some current mainstream ones too)

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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2018, 13:34:26 PM »
Just have a look around on this man's videos, RCModelReviews

 there are a lot of reviews out there,,,  :co

 I have seen a lot of posts on other Forums, people struggling to get there radios 'flashed' and programmed,
 even some, young or old, just can't seem to get them to bind !!  :study:
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2018, 13:53:30 PM »
Just have a look around on this man's videos, RCModelReviews

 there are a lot of reviews out there,,,  :co

 I have seen a lot of posts on other Forums, people struggling to get there radios 'flashed' and programmed,
 even some, young or old, just can't seem to get them to bind !  :study:
My view is 'if it ain't broke then don't fix it'. I was always a Futaba man until we were pushed onto 2.4 when the LMA insisted on that for shows. Futaba rxs were prohibitively expensive so I went to Hitec, first with a module for my FF9 and then an Aurora 9. Going on seven years and can't fault it. Not going to change unless it goes wrong, and then it will be another Aurora. It's not brand loyalty, it's simple economics.

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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2018, 14:22:50 PM »
All these comments must be really helpful for the OP, perhaps it's an indicator of why this forum is become more moribund with every day that passes.
My parthian shot to the OP is if you can't get your head round it check out the other makers equipment until you find a system that you can.
Bear in mind there's only one f in futaba  :'' :ev.
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2018, 16:45:34 PM »
I had my own model shop for 20 years ( not long ago) and Futaba was always good to me, that is one
of the reasons I use this 'overpriced' radio  :banghead:

 But their is some good cheap stuff out their, most of these forums are older modellers  :'( so to a younger member probably not very useful, :-X may I ( blasphemy ? ) suggest that you have a look on the Drone forums, they love the new stuff and most of them have never heard of futaba, Multiplex and Whatshisname Hisomthing  ::)
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2018, 16:58:29 PM »
I read time and time again how people sing the praises of such and such a radio and how the latest download has allowed them to do this that and the other.

Then we discover that "oh dear!" the last upgrade had a bug and now I can't do this or that.

Personally I have no interest in any radio that I need to upgrade, mess about with or stand in the bath with one leg whilst hanging on to the radiator to try and get a signal, and for that reason I have no interest in Frsky or many other radios.

All I can say that in 48 years of flying radio the only make that has NEVER let me down is Futaba, everything else has and some of those were straight out of the box!!.

The choice is therefore quite simple.


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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2018, 17:20:23 PM »
All these comments must be really helpful for the OP, perhaps it's an indicator of why this forum is become more moribund with every day that passes.
My parthian shot to the OP is if you can't get your head round it check out the other makers equipment until you find a system that you can.
Bear in mind there's only one f in futaba  :'' :ev.
he is already a Futaba man, thats why I am recommending him to stick with it. His 35mhz stuff will be fine if he uses DC or PCM receivers. But I agree with SMF,  where is the need for all the bling? I'm going to be looking at my model while flying, not swiping and double clicking to see the latest weather forecast, football results or recipes.

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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2018, 19:05:23 PM »
Itsme, OP asked for frsky users comments on their setups. I don't think he got that even from the one frsky user that responded and certainly not from me either.
Personally I couldn't give a monkeys what system anyone uses or if they use castor in their fuel, why I'm even coming to terms with electric power. What I do care about is that this once great forum is slowly choking on the BS that's emanating because people don't even read the posts properly (I admit to being guilty as well).
The guy was asking about a system that he proposes to utilise fully with telemetry etc and it has to be argued that If I want to use telemetry on my futaba 14 sg I will have to spend shed loads of cash to put telemetry in place whereas the frsky stuff is cheap as chips at the moment.
I'd say to him go for it, at least your wallet won't get as burned, if you find it incompatible with your ability, as it will with futaba.
FWIW I have no plans to indulge in telemetry so it's f all to me.
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2018, 19:09:59 PM »
Ok some some replies are not entirely constructive here!  Iím not looking to start a brand war.  I have always owned futaba in the 20 yrs or so Iíve been flying planes.  (Admittedly more off than on over the years) I have no doubt in Futaba brand quality  but it is prohibitively expensive for me. 

Iím just asking for a brief run down on modern equipment as Iíve been out of the game for a while and I actually like the idea of telemetry on my aircraft as something else to tinker with when itís too dark or miserable to fly.  The first post was a little helpful.


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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2018, 19:19:21 PM »
I think if you read what is written you will see the story. I have never been let down by Futaba but have always been let down by every other make I have used.

That to me says it all, especially when I lost 5 models one after the other getting about a total of 5 mins flying time.

That taught me all I needed to know about the value of radio gear.

Personally I would buy a cheaper or secondhand set of Futaba before considering anything else.

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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2018, 23:12:24 PM »
Itsme, OP asked for frsky users comments on their setups. I don't think he got that even from the one frsky user that responded and certainly not from me either.
Personally I couldn't give a monkeys what system anyone uses or if they use castor in their fuel, why I'm even coming to terms with electric power. What I do care about is that this once great forum is slowly choking on the BS that's emanating because people don't even read the posts properly (I admit to being guilty as well).
The guy was asking about a system that he proposes to utilise fully with telemetry etc and it has to be argued that If I want to use telemetry on my futaba 14 sg I will have to spend shed loads of cash to put telemetry in place whereas the frsky stuff is cheap as chips at the moment.
I'd say to him go for it, at least your wallet won't get as burned, if you find it incompatible with your ability, as it will with futaba.
FWIW I have no plans to indulge in telemetry so it's f all to me.
No, he mentioned Frsky but could not get his head around the receivers. He was asking for advice, I gave it but I will leave it all up to you in future and let you think carefully why the forum is dying. It's yours now.

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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2018, 23:49:26 PM »
Like SMF I've had Futaba radio for approaching 50 years and like him it's never let me down, in fact my original 27 meg Futaba M series system is still working well.

After having various Futaba transmitters, 35 meg M series, Conquest, FC-18 and currently a 14SG I wouldn't now change to any other brand for my mainstream models. I do have a Spectrum for my bind and fly models but I'm not too keen to use that for my larger models.

Along with another of my flying buddies, I do also use a number FrSky fasst receivers and have found them easy to set up and to be totally reliable.

Regarding telemetry, as I fly large scale sailplanes on the slope when flights of half an hour can be the norm, the ability to be able to monitor the receiver battery voltage is very reassuring, especially when the models are valued in four figures and have two receivers and many servos.  Also the prices of Futaba's variometers, (very useful to have in light of forthcoming regulations), are reducing and are much cheaper and easier to use than stand-alone systems.

I'm very pleased I made the decision to go with Futaba all those years ago, it being very cost effective as my FC-18 lasted me for around twenty years, only being retired when I needed more channels for my large gliders.

I'm not old, I've just been young for a very long time!

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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2018, 00:36:51 AM »
Jonny,
I've used Frsky since it first appeared in versions of non-telemetry modules.Since then I've used both telemetry & non-telemetry modules in originaly 35MHz Futaba & MPX Tx's & a Spektrum 2.4GHz one. The radio link always proved 100%  reliable so when the Taranis became availible I got one of the first batch in the UK.

I have no experience of the QX7 but I believe it runs on the same OpenTX OS as the Taranis. This allows greater flexibility than any other system that I've used.

I use a mixture of analogue & digital servos with no problems.
Since you'd be starting with a fully telemetry capable Tx I'd suggest starting with X8R Rx's. IMO the small difference in cost makes getting X4R & X6R Rx's unattractive. Rx battery voltage monitoring is a built in standard on all telemetry Rx's the ability to set audible warning levels &/or switch audible readings on as required at the Tx.

I'm completely happy with the range having flown 3 mtre span thermal gliders to the limit of visibilty with confidence using the earlier V & D series Rx's as well as the XR ones. Even single antena Rx's meant for park flyers have had no range issues when I've used them in vintage models (though I wouldn't recommend them for anything fast &/or heavy). 

As for the upgrades - none are necessary to the OpenTX system as it comes if you don't choose to. Upgrades to the Rf side have been dictated by the changes in regulations & have also had to be addressed by all other manufacturers. The comments about the upgrades so far in this thread have been innaccurate as well as unhelpful.

Finaly, as I mentioned I've no experience of the QX7 but in your shoes I think I'd consider if a Taranis 9XD Plus might be worth stretching the budget to suit possible later requirements..
 
 PS I forgot to mention that rf low & critical signal reception warnings are built into all telemetry Rx's with the ability to set warning levels & audible alarms in the same way as Rx battery monitoring.
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2018, 10:45:59 AM »
I would 100% agree with Patmac, I would just address 1 point in your post about using SBUS and a decoder, this is not necessary as the X8R has 8 standard servo ports, SBUS comes into its own when used with a flight controller and some flight stabilisers.  If you later have a requirement for more than 8 channels then use 2 - X8R's in the same model (how's that for upgrade ability.
I have experience of the Taranis and Horus but not the Q7 which I believe is aimed at the Drone/Budget market but still a very competent transmitter.

Really not wanting to start a war but the only transmitter that ever let me down was a Futaba FF8 (well known intermittent fault with the module) costing me quite a few models.
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2018, 17:51:05 PM »
I have a QX7 and love it. It works perfectly well straight from the box but can be updated to run the latest version of Open Tx if you wish. I did this as soon as I got it as it allowed me to use my older 'V8' and 'D' series receivers. If you are starting from scratch then you would probably stick to the newer X8R, X6R or X4R receivers anyway. These use the Smart Port telemetry sensors, a large range of which are available. They give receiver battery voltage and RSSI (received signal strength indication) as standard and the transmitter will warn you if the battery is low or if signal strength drops below a certain level. I like being able to log these values and check them after a session just to see if I have any issues. I haven't come across any so far. I've been using the FrSky protocol for some time in the form of a module fitted to a Turnigy 9X with no problems at all, and if it weren't for the fact I can only fit nine models at a time into the memory of the 9X I'd still be using it. Having said that, the Taranis is superior in every way. It feels nice to hold, the sticks feel good to use and with Open Tx on board, can be programmed to anything you want. I don't find it difficult to use but I do like tinkering and learning new things so if what you want is 'the same as you've always used' don't bother. FrSky's biggest problem is that they don't do manuals and all the information about using the radio has to be searched for and found on line. Well worth the effort if you ask me.

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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2018, 19:10:15 PM »
Thanks guys for the replyís.  Iíll look into the taranis sets.  I did have a good look at the full range of sets offered by FrSky a couple of days ago.  I think the amount of choice and the quantity of parts available that seemingly do the same function threw me for a bit.  Iíve since got my head around the rxís, sensors and redundancy modules available.  Itís not nearly as bad as I originally thought.  Iím not going to jump into buying a set just yet, Iíve more important things to spend my money on just now.  Maybe a single flysky 6ch set with rx would do to get around my initial problems with interference and in a year or so upgrade to the FrSky sets.


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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2018, 20:01:06 PM »
I think you are making the best low cost choice for now jdq.
One of our club members has the FlySky i6 and I have just purchased a FlySky i10 system. This joins my old JR X378 fitted with an FrSky 2.4 module. I have quite a few FrSky receivers and will continue to use those as I have done for the last 10 years or so.
The FlySky i10 has telemetry included in the purchased bundle and at £175 is not a bad deal. The spare receivers i6 or i10 are not expensive either.
Final point, the FlySky tx's are easy to programme.
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2018, 07:32:43 AM »
Oh Dear Oh Dear Oh Dear..............................  :banghead:   Been short of raw meat you lot?

Jonny,  If you spread your interest across various flight formats, ALL makes of radio gear usually offer solutions (Note the s), but one size fits all is an unlikely goal. For example, an 8 channel PWM Receiver with an output per channel is going to be a reasonable size just to get all the sockets in, but an SBus receiver capable of more channels will be smaller as it outputs from a single socket connection. You might however prefer the robustness of the full cased 8 channel. You have a choice.

As you have reply posted, its not as fraught as it first appears, and many RC brands have a wide range of receivers which can confuse the prospective new user. Those that don't miss the point!

As every week several times a week I am using Futaba, Spektrum, FrSky, FlySky, and others, I have no axe to grind.

If you are an early adopter of a modern firmware based RC system you must expect a level of change due sometimes to discovered issues and improvements to be offered. However, most FrSky gear has been well tested and TBH the talk of constant and difficult updates is laughable, as I'm happily running one Taranis on firmware that dates from weeks after it was introduced. Its never crashed/locked/freaked nor given a moments concern. I have had similar with Futaba and Flysky (inc Futaba using FrSky compatible Rx)

I'll not comment on Spektrum as its irrelevant to your post question, but before anyone feels obliged to flame a make war (AGAIN), I currently use two DX6i, two DX7 and a DX9, so I DO have lots of experience of the brand.

In FrSky specifically I have a Taranis and two Horus, one on FrOS, the other on OpenTX. I also have just about every Rx type they have made, concentrating now on the "X" series. How many "X" series receivers?  Maybe around 40, I have just counted the "new in pack" ones waiting use at eight.  I was a Beta tester for the Horus. Ignoring that early development,  I have had NO Transmitter faults. I have had ONE receiver failure, a six channel "X" series that after a short while in use decided its full range was three metres.

If a FrSky radio model has been released to public for six months, you can pretty much guarantee that any firmware changes are minimal and will address either isolated rare events with a specific and unusual hardware setup, or minimal optional improvements. So rushing for every "update" isn't by any means essential.

ANY make CAN get into difficulty, an example being the usually extremely bullet proof Futaba brand who issued a large batch of 2.4GHz 6EX without them having had their individual ident codes set, so they could (and did) interfere. In that case they had to swap al, the sets as the 6EX did not have downloadable firmware, but you can bet your bottom dollar that a few cupboards have little used sets buried away unmodified that have now missed the update boat!

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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2018, 07:41:55 AM »
Maybe a single flysky 6ch set with rx would do to get around my initial problems with interference and in a year or so upgrade to the FrSky sets.

I have a FlySky FS-i6. I ended up with it by chance and NOT by choice, it was wrongly supplied instead of a FrKy Receiver!!.

That was quite a long time ago now, and its in near daily use with ten models on it. It is particularly suitable for those with small hands, so esp juniors.  FAR better than the price would suggest, and I have no intention to stop using it!

Have even used it for race quads which push any set due the low, distant and obstructed signal path they operate in. NO issues AT ALL.
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2018, 08:15:20 AM »
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   ANY make CAN get into difficulty, an example being the usually extremely bullet proof Futaba brand who issued a large batch of 2.4GHz 6EX without them having had their individual ident codes set, so they could (and did) interfere. In that case they had to swap al, the sets as the 6EX did not have downloadable firmware, but you can bet your bottom dollar that a few cupboards have little used sets buried away unmodified that have now missed the update boat!

 Hi, News to me  $%&, i sold lots of them, flew and taught new and older pilots with them and still use mine for my Drones and foamies, also regularly at the Futaba European Importers ( 70 klms ) around 3/4 times a month I would have known about it. :af
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2018, 08:38:42 AM »
Hi, News to me  $%&, i sold lots of them, flew and taught new and older pilots with them and still use mine for my Drones and foamies, also regularly at the Futaba European Importers ( 70 klms ) around 3/4 times a month I would have known about it. :af:


How short some memories are:

http://www.modelflying.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=11160&p=1
http://www.rcmodelreviews.com/futabafasstfoobar.shtml
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?803207-UPDATED-Futaba-6EX-and-7C-Serivce-Advisory

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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2018, 12:24:18 PM »
Nope !  $%& I have Never heard of it, I had one of the first sets delivered in France By the European Importer being
a 'prime' ( i don't know if it is the right term ) Futaba distributor and everything that was new I got weather I
 wanted it or not  :'' receiving one or two delivery's every week, and also visiting the depot most Monday
 mornings for my orders, and eating lunch with them, I have the first one which I use as said earlier,
my Serial Nį is A806*****  on your last lien,   :co

The precautionary measures do not apply to systems that utilize a serial number as noted below:
 6EX ALL A8xxxxxxx

 So mine isn't in the list of problem radios, maybe Ripmax got them all or my distributer sent the first lot to other European countries. ^-^

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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2018, 13:32:28 PM »
Astounded that the Futaba issue is so easily forgotten!

Affected radios were DEFINITELY in the UK and Europe. I had one!

How would Ripmax reach all owners? They were sold out without logging serials to owners, and anyway some would have been sold on. Many items of RC never get used or are used minimally before being shelved. Owners are just as likely to be outside the model press regime where it was made public, so there they sit to re-emerge, though you'd have in this case to bring TWO affected ones together again to have an issue.

How about another one then?

Spektrum DX6i have always had a bug in Elevon mixing affecting trims (there is a work round developed in the field). If it had been a firmware and updatable system it could easily have been eliminated by users.

Yes, Updating firmware can be a pain, but there's two examples of where it would have been useful!
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2018, 14:09:16 PM »
Admittedly it was only discussed briefly and in cryptic terms on the more obscure, non-mainstream RC forums, like this thread, and sent out as service bulletinsby Ripmax to every shop that had accounts with them, and covered extensively in the hard-copy magazines for the hard-of-thinking.

So obviously those who were not involved with the internet, the magazines or the model trade had reasonable excuses for being unaware...
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2018, 15:08:47 PM »
A lot of radios problems were never recalled, a friend who had a Model shop a Nimťs in France, piled his helicopter into the ground while hovering with a new top of the range Graupner radio, and as for Spectrum, they have been binned or sold on in all of the local clubs, only one left locally now with a Foamy flyer,,  :-X

 I had a problem with my Futaba FX-30 the rudder trim 'wandered', they called it back to find that the pins that went into the 41/2.4 modules inside the radio were clipped in, as I changed them over the a lot ( 40+ planes ) they soldered them and called  all of the series back to be repaired. ^-^.
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2018, 12:26:14 PM »
Well Iíve decided I like my old t7cp radio but would like a 2.4 system so Iíve purchased a FrSky tx conversion and 4 x basic 8ch rx for around £60 from HobbyKing.  This should see me right for a while.


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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2018, 14:41:27 PM »
I have a pile of Frsky receivers run  on my Futaba radio, and the 6 channel ones are as good as the
futaba 617, .
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Re: Getting my head around FrSky
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2018, 16:32:16 PM »
Good to see a vote of confidence for this system.  It is so competitively priced I would expect a low quality system but all reports online are positive for FrSky.  I just have to wait till Monday for the package to arrive from HK.


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