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Lost Faith In Spektrum
« on: May 08, 2018, 19:02:36 PM »
Having used Spektum brand Tx & Rx's since returning to the hobby some 7 years ago.  First a DX6 and now a DX8 but unsure if its the correct equipment for a 1/4 scale aircraft that I am currently building. Now have had two mid size aircraft go down at about the 1/4 mile range mark.  Both failed at height so unsure what actually happened but the end result was a bag of bits.  So In short though I have lost faith that the operational range for spektrum based equipment is good using one main Rx and a single satellite which to date has been my standard set up.

So the query is if one is about to purchase a new Tx what would you buy?


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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2018, 20:55:18 PM »
You'll end up with a cylindrical hermetically sealed metal container filled with megadriles asking a question like that. :''
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2018, 21:31:04 PM »
Ha ha! If you have lost faith in a Tx then go back to old reliables like Futaba or, as I have done, Hitec. Four years in on an Aurora 9 and it has proved rock solid. And that's not slagging off Spekky...

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2018, 21:58:38 PM »
Futaba 14 SG ,You'll never need to buy another radio, Fly indoor electrics to large models no problem. :af
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2018, 05:57:20 AM »
Ok Futaba is overpriced, but in our club their is only one spectrum flying foam electric models, two Aura 9's ( some do lock out ) one Jeti ( £££  :D ) and an old JR ( British pilot ) and the rest all on Futaba  :study:
 and one is battling with an orange plastic £90 Chinese wonder  ;D
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2018, 07:05:19 AM »
Ok Futaba is overpriced, but in our club their is only one spectrum flying foam electric models, two Aura 9's ( some do lock out ) one Jeti ( £££  :D ) and an old JR ( British pilot ) and the rest all on Futaba  :study:
 and one is battling with an orange plastic £90 Chinese wonder  ;D
I can only vouch for mine and the two other people I know, all had no problems- although I did have a  lockout with one of the receivers in the early days with only one aerial- I got rid of that and only use the 9 channel receivers. It was only momentary. I believe most of the problems with 2.4 are bad setups, aerials not set properly and not using 6 volt batteries which I think are essential. I have two friends on Spekky who swear by them, everyone else is Futaba. There are, I believe, one or two Jeti and Taranis users but I have no feedback on those. I have not come across a genuine locked out crash for some time. (Been one or two who have blamed that, but loss of orientation and high speed stalls are not interference...)

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2018, 10:33:59 AM »
Aren't all R/C radios £90 Chinese wonders?...even the German ones. ;)

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2018, 11:32:27 AM »
Iíve just bought a Jeti about a mouth ago , well worth the money , fantastic bit of kit ,
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2018, 12:04:41 PM »
I know several people who have recently moved from spektrum to Jeti, but I think it was mainly because of the HH move to Germany and the resultant service problems rather than Spektrum equipment failures.

I have been using Jeti for over 5 years and can confirm it is good gear.

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2018, 13:53:59 PM »
Here we go AGAIN...................  ;)

I fly Futaba, Spektrum, Flysky, and FrSky, several Tx in each make. Flew with a Futaba 10CG, two FrSky Horus, a FrSky Taranis, FlySKY fs-i6 and a DX9 TODAY

Two large clubs, never even SEEN a Jeti in use!!
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2018, 14:22:07 PM »
Here we go AGAIN...................  ;)

I fly Futaba, Spektrum, Flysky, and FrSky, several Tx in each make. Flew with a Futaba 10CG, two FrSky Horus, a FrSky Taranis, FlySKY fs-i6 and a DX9 TODAY

Two large clubs, never even SEEN a Jeti in use!!
Dont you get confused?

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2018, 16:02:52 PM »
Here we go AGAIN...................  ;)

I fly Futaba, Spektrum, Flysky, and FrSky, several Tx in each make. Flew with a Futaba 10CG, two FrSky Horus, a FrSky Taranis, FlySKY fs-i6 and a DX9 TODAY

Two large clubs, never even SEEN a Jeti in use!!
Here we go again ,
Some asked that he doesnít know a lot about Jeti , so Iíve simply replied as above, no need to get on your high horse about it
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2018, 16:09:57 PM »
Poor old Spektrum -- it is the marque which everyone loves to hate.  :'(
Personally, I fly Spektrum and it has never let me down.  DX18 Tx and numerous receivers of varying amounts of channels.   :af
Indoors, outdoors, small models, big models, fast models......  It just works -- and works perfectly.   :)

Range?  I have subjected the radio to many, proper, real-life range checks (not the button in and 30 paces routine) and have always achieved a mile on the ground.  They would have gone further but we were physically restricted from going further.  Even the tiny 4 channel RXs will easily achieve these distances.

In flight,there is never even a hint of hesitation in the radio.  The link between the Tx and the model always feels rock solid.  :af

What's not to like???

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2018, 17:14:37 PM »
Although my Tx is JR DSX() It uses Spektrum DSM2 protocol, like Brian I use lots of different Rxs from £5 Orange rs, 5, 6 and 7ch Spektrum rx up to the original JR921 that came with the tx. This Tx is some eight or so years old and the rxs vary from two to eight years old.

I have had one crash in eight years and that was due to a flat rx battery (measured at under four volts after the crash) I am very happy with Spektrum.

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2018, 17:32:08 PM »
Well at least itís nice to see a subject that has inspired so many to respond.

So if I did stick with Spektrum what should the set-up be with respect to the Rx type, number of satellites and Rx voltage?

Did try a programmable Rx type with stabilisation on one model but hated the ground set up software.

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2018, 17:54:12 PM »
Would be worth getting your Tx checked out just in case, flyer at our club had a Dx6 (DSMx) go faulty and plane was going into failsafe in the air at short range, we swapped it over to his Dx8 (G2) and it's been fine ever since.

I've had a DSM2 Dx6i for several years and while its had broken trim switches and roller it's never had a radio link fault, doesn't get used much these days as my main set is Multiplex which has also been rock solid.

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2018, 18:04:38 PM »
I got a second hand DX7 , old sort, just to have the Bind and Fly capability , But I soon filled it up with all sorts and makes of RXs and have never had a problem , So when an Unused DX8 , again the older issue ,came along at an excellent price I grabbed it ,

Transfered  My trusty well flown Wot 4 onto the DX8  and it stopped responding at about 400 yds and spiralled into the long crops , could not think of what went wrong , but changed the RX anyway , Next flight  exactly the same thing , It appears to be a range thing , Rebound the Wot 4 to the DX7 and no further problems , ( at half the battery voltage of the DX7 is the power output diminished ) ,

The DX8 is OK on those ASX3 rxes so thats what I use it for now , but not on DSM RXes.

I did contact HHobbies , because there was rumour  that some sets had a "Range " problem , but they said mine was not one of them .


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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2018, 18:08:53 PM »
Well strange you should say about sending it back but thats what I did after the first crash at range.  Horizon did say they replaced parts but were not specific if this was RF related.

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2018, 18:25:23 PM »
I have lost faith that the operational range for spektrum based equipment is good using one main Rx and a single satellite which to date has been my standard set up.

Are you using either telemetry (TM1000 or 'T' receiver) or a FlightLog to check your installations? Do you have anything that will tell you how the voltage rail is holding up in flight?

So if I did stick with Spektrum what should the set-up be with respect to the Rx type, number of satellites and Rx voltage?

How many channels do you need and how much is the model worth to you?

My three biggest models all have AR9100s with TM1000s fed by dual LiFe's. Probably over the top for the models concerned, but they have been faultless.

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2018, 18:29:31 PM »
I fly Spektrum and it has never let me down.

Spektrum has let me down a couple of times, I had a 6250 fail in 2010 just before the recall and a 6255 fail in 2011. I have never had a problem that I would put down to the RF link or one of my transmitters.

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2018, 20:04:37 PM »
Dont you get confused?

No more than my usual state......................
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2018, 20:36:03 PM »
Here we go again ,
Some asked that he doesnít know a lot about Jeti , so Iíve simply replied as above, no need to get on your high horse about it

Pot, Kettle, Black...........................................   ;) ;D

"Here we go again" was me referring to the quite numerous times we have trod the "is Spektrum iffy" (or not) road, threads which could be found by searching here, and nothing to do with your recent biblical conversion to Jeti faith, of which make I simply said I had never seen one used, so can't comment.

In Spektrum I currently have a DX6i, two DX7's and a DX9. The DX9 over the time owned intermittently dirtys/oxides its SD card contacts and needs a few remove/replace operations to wipe the contacts back clean,  occurs every few months when it decides to boot to a blank screen. ONLY affects boot.  Neither DX7 has ever shown any ills at all (though they needed slapping for the poor model selection method).
the DX6i (one of two, the late DSMX/DSM2 model, the other I gave away) has been OK.

I have had four Spektrum Rx fail. This compares to one FrSky Futaba FASST compatible and one FrSky X series 6 Channel. Please take into account that count is out of more than 200 receivers in use, far more other makes than Spektrum.

I have personally witnessed and been informed by experienced owners in club I trust more issues with the original grey case DX8 than with any other Spektrum Tx. Issues that seemed to be RF related and had no relationship to the number in use relative to other Spektrum Tx in the group, as most used the DX6 or DX9.  At LEAST ten club members had major loss of connection issues with DX8. One went back to HH several times before the owner binned it.

You'll note I'm not spouting praise on the Horus just because I was a Beta Tester for it, excellent unit though it is.  For value for money NOTHING beats the FlySky FS-i6. Overall though I prefer FrSky.

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2018, 06:37:32 AM »
Jeti convert, love the built in telemetry, you have constant feed back on signal strength (both aerials) and battery voltage even with out any add-ons.

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2018, 07:09:13 AM »
Jeti convert, love the built in telemetry, you have constant feed back on signal strength (both aerials) and battery voltage even with out any add-ons.

As does FrSky and even the £35 FlySky has battery telemetry built in!
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2018, 08:17:28 AM »
Opps I forgot about Multiplex, as they come to the field, fly and go home, never a murmur,,
as for Spectrum, it's keeping the ARF / ARTF shops in business  :uk:
 and the Jeti pilot, an old Multiplex follower who knows a good radio when he sees it,,  :study:
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2018, 09:21:42 AM »
Opps I forgot about Multiplex, as they come to the field, fly and go home, never a murmur,,
I agree - I have used Multiplex since 1985 and have had no issues. The 2.4 M-link is very secure. There are various options from Cockpit tx to Profi depending on your requirements and budget.
People complain about the cost of Mpx receivers which I don't really get as the total cost of airframes/servos/engines is much more significant.

If I was looking a fresh I would also have a look at Jeti.
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2018, 11:35:31 AM »
So would I go for Jeti, but being a Futaba follower ( more money than sense  :'' )
And over 40+ equipped planes I will stick with them,, ^-^
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2018, 12:05:27 PM »
I have no faith in my Multiplex gear - I just have knowledge. You only need faith where there is the possibility of doubt. The more faith, the greater the doubt. I know pwople wjho have a LOT of faith in Specky stuff...

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2018, 14:27:30 PM »
I'm sticking with my JR 35 mhz radio, never had any problems with it.  :af :af
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2018, 21:28:38 PM »
Pah! My 27mhz on blue is untouchable.

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2018, 23:31:05 PM »
Frsky, waaay more than 1/4 mile ;)
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2018, 04:49:07 AM »
I suppose I can't mention my Graupner MC 20? Its well good...more bells and whistles than 'll probably use. Ability to use two receivers, millions of mixers, loads of switches (some I even know what they're for!). And it comes with a rather fetching neck strap.  :af
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2018, 07:41:16 AM »
I suppose I can't mention my Graupner MC 20? Its well good...more bells and whistles than 'll probably use. Ability to use two receivers, millions of mixers, loads of switches (some I even know what they're for!). And it comes with a rather fetching neck strap.  :af
The limiting factor with my Aurora is that Hitec do not recommend using two receivers. Its not a problem for me as my aspirations for over 20kg models have subsided...Good thing is, I do understand the software, and it is simple for a thicko like me to set up. All the usual refinements I could ever use, telemetry too I gather but not going down that road.

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2018, 07:51:41 AM »
I suppose I can't mention my Graupner MC 20? Its well good...more bells and whistles than 'll probably use. Ability to use two receivers, millions of mixers, loads of switches (some I even know what they're for!). And it comes with a rather fetching neck strap.  :af

And a transmitter format which gives you plenty of free surface space to put your beer down while you're focussing on that tight approach round the fountain into the door of the mall...

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2018, 16:55:59 PM »
The limiting factor with my Aurora is that Hitec do not recommend using two receivers. Its not a problem for me as my aspirations for over 20kg models have subsided...Good thing is, I do understand the software, and it is simple for a thicko like me to set up. All the usual refinements I could ever use, telemetry too I gather but not going down that road.

My single biggest gripe about the Tx is the instruction manual. It's quite fundamental of course but I got so frustrated in trying to work things out (the book doesn't tell you clearly) I had to put the Tx back in its case and walk away for a week or three. It turns out the manual was sent to Korea (where the radio is made) from Germany (where the software is developed) in German, translated to Korea, then scanned and converted to English--I'm not making this up, the Graupner agent here told me. If you come from a JR background apparently it's a doddle to understand, but I don't and it wasn't for me. I'm starting to get it now, and its getting easier to do.  :banghead:
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2018, 17:05:10 PM »
My single biggest gripe about the Tx is the instruction manual. It's quite fundamental of course but I got so frustrated in trying to work things out (the book doesn't tell you clearly) I had to put the Tx back in its case and walk away for a week or three. It turns out the manual was sent to Korea (where the radio is made) from Germany (where the software is developed) in German, translated to Korea, then scanned and converted to English--I'm not making this up, the Graupner agent here told me. If you come from a JR background apparently it's a doddle to understand, but I don't and it wasn't for me. I'm starting to get it now, and its getting easier to do.  :banghead:

 Lol, you haven't read a futaba FX-30 instruction book translated into French,,, ( FG 12 )
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2018, 17:20:08 PM »
Lol, you haven't read a futaba FX-30 instruction book translated into French,,, ( FG 12 )

The other week when I went to Los Banos there were three (later four) blokes trying to get a Futaba FF7(?) to raise and lower flaps taking instructions from what looked a very dog eared manual...They gave up after about two hours.  :banghead:
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2018, 17:38:29 PM »
The other week when I went to Los Banos there were three (later four) blokes trying to get a Futaba FF7(?) to raise and lower flaps taking instructions from what looked a very dog eared manual...They gave up after about two hours.  :banghead:
The Hitec manual actually says not to read it unless you are really bored, but to refer to it when setting up. Suits me...

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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2018, 18:35:10 PM »
Pah! My 27mhz on blue is untouchable.

Not when I arrive with my blue/green split it won't be.......................................  :''
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Re: Lost Faith In Spektrum
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2018, 22:51:59 PM »
Not when I arrive with my blue/green split it won't be.......................................  :''
Don't raise the "splits" debate again, I had enough of that 40 years ago     ;-)   ;-)


 

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