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Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« on: September 14, 2012, 19:47:21 PM »
Don't know why I did it as I already have 6 other transmitters including a PCM9XII and a Futaba T9CAP Super but went ahead and ordered a Turnigy 9X along with ATMEL programming board and Backlight kit from Hobbyking today. I think it was really the play factor that did it for me as I want to see what ER9X is all about.

Any tips and/or gotchas I should be aware of?


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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2012, 22:08:50 PM »
Go visit

http://9xforums.com



And install open9x or er9x. 

Without it... it is a carp radio.  With the alternative firmware...  don't get much better :-)
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« Last Edit: September 14, 2012, 22:10:31 PM by rob.thomson »

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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2012, 22:11:50 PM »
Oh...  personally...  open9x is better  :-)

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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2012, 10:05:16 AM »
Thanks for the input, had never heard of open9x. From what perspective is it better bearing in mind I have not experienced either?

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Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2012, 10:19:46 AM »
Open9x as full flight mode support, works on multiple board types...  Superb telemetry support.  Multi language etc etc.

Guess the difference is that er9x currently has only one active developer.  Open9x has something like 8 active developers.

But no harm to try both!  Most people do and then choose their own favourite!

But as a rule of thumb -  if you fly gliders.  Use open9x as er9x does not have good flight mode support!

Check here

http://code.google.com/p/open9x/

For the project details!

Oh... All of this is also on the 9xforums site - where the developers hang out!


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Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2012, 10:22:41 AM »
Oh.. Where are you located?  If you need help doing telemetry mods or similar...  I can help.

I have converted plenty radios to know what I am doing :)


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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2012, 14:15:50 PM »
I am in Surrey and will definitely reach out to you if I get stuck. Many thanks for the offer

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2012, 15:17:42 PM »
Lol...  I am in Albury, Surrey.   

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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2012, 08:15:37 AM »
I must say I have been using this radio in its stock form along with its native 2.4Ghz system for the last few week now and am very impressed. So much so that right now with the flying I do I see no reason to re-flash the system or for that matter to change the module to FrSky. Yes having 8 more memories would be nice but I have a JR PCM9X2 that has 30 model memories and a Futaba FF9 that has 180 with a 256K Campac. The Turnigy was bought as an experiment and to have a something cheap to rattle around the boot of the car.

When I was younger I was a LINUX developer + electronics engineer and still to this day use LINUX as an operating system and so being a Hacker at heart the allure of ER9X was strong. However age has also taught me the value of simplicity and having all the day to day mixers e.g. ELEVON, CCPM etc readily available is priceless. Whilst I appreciate that ER9X has templates, going through the documentation and manuals I just can't see at present that it would add any significant value to my form of flying. This i not to say I won't do it just that I think the T9X is just fine straight out of the box. After all it only cost me +-45 to my door from HK


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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2012, 08:21:38 AM »
In way of an update to those considering getting a Turnigy 9X I finally bit the bullet and re-flashed mine to use the ER9X open source code. The hardware conversion was extremely simple needing only 6 wires soldered onto the motherboard and the interface socket conveniently located in the battery bay. Well all I can say is what a revelation. Whilst no question it is a bit of a learning curve, the sheer power it releases from this very cost effective radio is just mind blowing. There now are NO limitations, one can mix whatever one wants with whatever one chooses. You want rudder on channel 6 and landing gear on channel one then do it. Want to mix all 8 channels together then go for it. On my JR PCm9XII I wanted to program in a throttle hold for aero use. What a faff, thro-thro with -100 in either direction and offset of 170....on the Tunigy I just added a mix of -100 to the existing throttle profile bound it to the throttle switch and job done. AND I can have a multitude of flight modes.

I found the best way to learn the concepts was to install the eepe program on my PC. This allows you to template what you want and then simulate the servo operations on your PC before then uploading the final product to your radio. ALL programming can be done easily on the radio but the eepe package allows you to upgrade, backup, simulate, copy profiles between radios (great when setting up a buddy box) and store infinite number of profiles.

Once upgraded the radio goes from being an 8 channel 8 model memory with 6 free mixes to being a 16 channel, 16 model memories and 16 free mixes. At 45 landed to your door (if bought from HobbyKing) I just don't see how one can go wrong. The standard RF modules and receivers work perfectly BUT do not have failsafe. If used with electric models the ESC will cut out if you lose signal but for IC models I have been using an external failsafe from RC cars which works beautifully. I now have two sets and am using the FrSky setup with full telemetry on my second unit.

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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2012, 08:33:11 AM »
The only thing putting me off these is concerns over the quality.  Just because some of the cheaper kit I have had cause to disassemble has had solder joints that are hanging on by the grace of god, really dirty, dry looking and probably destined to fail at some point.

I'd really like to get on board with these as I like the idea of the open software and lack of artificial limitations added by manufacturers to differentiate the models in their range.  I'm by no means a snob but I just would be put off by something that felt really bad.    So what do these radios feel like in the hand?  Are the gimbals silky smooth or a bit nasty feeling?  When you get inside what does the soldering/build quality look like?

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Re: Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2012, 09:26:08 AM »
So what do these radios feel like in the hand?  Are the gimbals silky smooth or a bit nasty feeling?  When you get inside what does the soldering/build quality look like?

Mine is fine, feels better than say a dx6i. I heard of loose switch wires in some early txs but not recently.

One suggested upgrade if you go the whole hog and use the sky9x replacement motherboard is to fit sticks from a HiTec Aurora 9 which takes it from good sticks to excellent sticks, but it really isn't needed.

I'm an electronics engineer and the innards look fine to me. I'm happy to fly anything I have with it.
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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2012, 09:38:20 AM »
They are a clone of the JR X3810 so if you have held that or any other JR radio then that is the feel. I am a trained electronics engineer and have no issue with the quality of these. One really needs to get out the mindset that cheap means carp. ALLLL radios, Spektrum, JR, Futaba etc are made in China, what you are paying for is a name (and granted proper QC)

I remember when IC engines were big having some guy telling me that Magnum engines were so much better than SC or ASP. I have been to the factory that makes them and they ALL come off the same production line. Apart from the name they are 100% identical but he wouldn't have it until I showed him the pictures of me in the factory next to the boxes. Marketing is the art of setting false expectation in the attempt to part man with his money.

Reflect on the fact that these only cost 45 and then put that into perspective. I would NOT use the standard module/receivers on a large IC model and that is the reason I bought a second T9X and installed the FrSky system but I use the standard set up on all my electrics and have had no issues. However now I have found a failsafe solution for the standard set up I may well revisit that. Either way I now have 2 x fantastic 16 channel radios for 90
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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2012, 10:04:52 AM »
They are a clone of the JR X3810 so if you have held that or any other JR radio then that is the feel. I am a trained electronics engineer and have no issue with the quality of these. One really needs to get out the mindset that cheap means carp. ALLLL radios, Spektrum, JR, Futaba etc are made in China, what you are paying for is a name (and granted proper QC)
I have no problem with where anything is made and I don't think that cheap necessarily means rubbish but, y'know, it very often does.  I buy loads of stuff from Hobby King, most of it has been fine but some of it has been utter, utter junk and has duly failed, however I wasn't upset because it was an acceptable failure rate for the price.  But that's not an approach I have any interest in taking with a transmitter.  I like what people are doing with these TXs and love the idea of open software but I think I'd just have too many doubts.  At 50 or whatever they come out at something has to give.  Simply stating that it is a "clone"of a JR set doesn't necessarily mean that they haven't sourced cheaper and possibly worse components wherever possible.

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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2012, 10:43:17 AM »
Do yourself a favor mate buy one and try it out. If you don't like it I make you a firm commitment here and now I will buy it off you at the Hobbyking price.

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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2012, 18:06:24 PM »
I have no problem with where anything is made and I don't think that cheap necessarily means rubbish but, y'know, it very often does.  I buy loads of stuff from Hobby King, most of it has been fine but some of it has been utter, utter junk and has duly failed, however I wasn't upset because it was an acceptable failure rate for the price.  But that's not an approach I have any interest in taking with a transmitter.  I like what people are doing with these TXs and love the idea of open software but I think I'd just have too many doubts.  At 50 or whatever they come out at something has to give.  Simply stating that it is a "clone"of a JR set doesn't necessarily mean that they haven't sourced cheaper and possibly worse components wherever possible.
or it maybe that Futaba and JR are just ripping us off like a lot of companies do in this business ....... :uk:
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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2012, 19:27:24 PM »
Many times I have said this.. and I will say it again no doubt.

When you get a 9X radio you think.. hey.  This feels ok.  Not too bad.

You then start to use the programming system/stock firmware.  And you feel...  Oh.  This is absolutely rubish.  Slow to respond, clunky etc.

The end result is you get a bad taste for what is no better/worse to a dx6i/7 in hardware terms.

So...  you look about and you discover 9xforums.com, and hey.. wtf!  There is an alternative firmware for it!  Everyone raves about it.  I can even have full telemetry enabled... yay! ... oh... you mean I have to open it up and solder something to the main board  :-\  That sounds scary.

Well...  you can do it that way.  But there are much simpler solutions these days.

All you need is a smartie board!

http://www.smartieparts.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=343

Solderless bolt on top of the main board.  Reflash.. and away you go.

You even with the new telemetryEZ system get a bolt on board that sorts out all the telemetry link for frsky - so put away your soldering iron.. bolt on the board and enjoy  :''

Of course.. if you want even more power...

You could always get these add-on boards:

http://www.ersky9x.net/ The dogs b$ll$cks bets board/upgrade you could ever do to a 9x!

or

www.gruvin9x.com   Alternative main board. That is not quite as good as the other one.. but still very good. (IMHO)


So...  the point being?

There are loads of possiblities and options with the 9x.  It is a good and reliable radio.  Once you upgrade to open9x/er9x you will find like many before.. your high end JR/Futaba radio gathers dust; and eventually gets sold.   

So go on.  Try it!  And do yourself a favour.

Check out http://9xforums.com/forum/ - get involved with a very active and helpfull 9x community.
and
Check out http://9xforums.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page where you will find out loads about the various mods and options avaliable.

  :) :)


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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2012, 19:44:47 PM »
I have just perchased the 9x and done the backlight mod and the smartieparts board,very simple to do next is the frsky telem mod ,i was dreading it but Rob pointed to this i'm ordering mine saturday  http://www.smartieparts.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=337
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2012, 20:55:06 PM »
The actual process of modding and flashing has been made very easy with the add in kits.   Just goes to show how organised the opensource firmware movement is getting!

How you finding the radio?  First impressions?  General programming etc?

I know I always rave about it...  Bit curious on your thoughts as you are new to it!

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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
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Re: Turnigy 9X - Any tips
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2017, 18:45:02 PM »
An old thread I know ... but just to let people know that the 9x is still going ... its still having updates to er9x etc.

Personally I have er9x on my Smartieparts board 9x and ersky9x on my AR9x board Tx ...

I tried OpenTx .... but its what you get used to - er9x suits me 101%

Its to be noted that er9x was the original source of openTx ... it was basically a division of people that created the divide ..

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