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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #120 on: March 21, 2009, 13:43:21 PM »
AT THURNHAM ALMOST NO WIND



that was the other week then Rob? by the way who's that ugly b#stard doing the half @rsed hand catch?
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #121 on: March 21, 2009, 13:45:39 PM »
Anyone ever flown at Ightham?  Apparently there's quite a good slope there but it's hard to spot from the road (it's below the road).


I've never flown there, but I know a few who do or have done. You have to be a club member (of which club I am unsure) and I hear that the wind has to be smack on SSW or it's a no hoper, though I have heard the landing is good for quarter scale and the like.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #122 on: March 21, 2009, 15:54:59 PM »
I went to Thurnham today and took the electric glider as I thought it was to be NW light winds, got there and it was W/SW 6/9 mph, John was there flying his Wildthing, another guy with his electric Graupner, and two guys from towards Portsmouth, one with a Multiplex Cularis and the other hat a EX IT wing, the wind was off and on, but ok nice a sunny so had a good time.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #123 on: March 21, 2009, 21:30:31 PM »
Paul, what's your DLG?  I was watching you flying it along the sea wall in Kent, looks great.  What sort of weight is it?  What sort of servos did you use to keep it light?


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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #124 on: March 22, 2009, 09:28:50 AM »
Paul, what's your DLG?  I was watching you flying it along the sea wall in Kent, looks great.  What sort of weight is it?  What sort of servos did you use to keep it light?




Yes Gary, it's mine I bought second hand it had been badly built and by the look of it badly flown. Its a 'Salome' and has HS55s in the fuz and Perkins pico servos in the wing. I re-did all the control runs and the tailfeathers and had to add a load of lead to the tail to get the CG in the optimum position.

I have flown it to death (on several occasions) only for it to be reborn with more glass and carbon holding the pod together. I've never weighed it but I think it comes out at about 11 or 12 oz at a guess. I have flown it from the flat and on the right day can usually 'get away' for a good 10min or so flight. Off the slope in marginal conditions it reigns supreme and gets me up and away when everyone else is on the ground.

I know the comp guys obsess about ever gram of weight, but personally I wouldn't worry too much it. Rare in the UK is a day with no wind and as soon as things get above about 7mph this model is no fun at all.

Your may well benefit from the extra weight of the electric setup, it'll give you a wider operating window, and you won't have to worry about the 'porkiness' impacting on you launch heights as you won't be throwing it.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #125 on: March 22, 2009, 10:56:51 AM »
Thanks for that.

I see it's strong west winds tomorrow (Monday) - anyone flying?

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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #126 on: March 22, 2009, 11:01:34 AM »
It's NW today so John and myself are of to Farthing Common.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #127 on: March 22, 2009, 11:19:10 AM »
Paul

Thanks for your opinion on the Weasel Pro.

It is new and unused with quite good gear in it, I know that I will probably kill it, and that I have paid to much for it, Richter kits, I've heard a rumour that he's only going to be selling expensive composite kits from now on, not sure if it's true or not.

I am hoping that it will fly in lighter winds than my Wildthing 46" mk111, the Weasel only weighs 294g all up weight.

I will start looking for a LIGHT wind glider for the slope, any one got any thoughts?, I am a beginer'ish so something that won't break too easily LOL.

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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #128 on: March 22, 2009, 11:58:22 AM »
Well you know you can't go wrong with a Multiplex Easyglider for a light wind, stable glider.  But if you're a bit more advanced you might find its lack of aerobatic ability annoying.  There's a Graupner equivalent that I think is a bit more aerobatic - the Junior S.  If you don't want foam there are some very nice balsa light wind gliders - but they will break easily.  There's so many choices it all depends what you fancy...

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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #129 on: March 22, 2009, 14:36:16 PM »
My first Mid-air
Who Won? Aldij Vs Phase 6
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #130 on: March 22, 2009, 14:39:54 PM »
I'm gonna guess the Phase 6 came off worse in that one.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #131 on: March 22, 2009, 14:43:33 PM »
I lost two carbon wing joiners and broke a servo arm

and got yellow paint on my wing  >:(
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #132 on: March 22, 2009, 14:44:07 PM »
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #133 on: March 22, 2009, 18:57:21 PM »
Well you know you can't go wrong with a Multiplex Easyglider for a light wind, stable glider.  But if you're a bit more advanced you might find its lack of aerobatic ability annoying.  There's a Graupner equivalent that I think is a bit more aerobatic - the Junior S.  If you don't want foam there are some very nice balsa light wind gliders - but they will break easily.  There's so many choices it all depends what you fancy...



I already have a Brush-less upgraded Multiplex Easystar which is OK, and I quite like the fact that it goes NR. vertical.

I went to Farthing Common today and the wind was variable so not great, but when I couldn't fly the Wildthing the Easy Star stayed up there forever, I have put a Lipo 3s 2250 20C/30C with a 2200kv motor APCe 6x4 prop and 33amp esc, all I need to do know is get the wings a little stiffer as they do flutter a little when I pull out of a steep'ish dive, I will either put three strips of 1" cross weave tape on the bottom of each wing, or put longer carbon spar in the wings.

I just fancy some thing light with ailerons, maybe a Thunder Tiger E Hawk 1500, though I'm not to sure it has ailerons.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #134 on: March 22, 2009, 19:40:59 PM »
What you need is a Multiplex Blizzard.  That makes a great step up from an Easyglider, although it's totally different - much faster, more agile, aerobatic ... but no inbuilt stability, it won't just sit up there while you blow your nose like an Easyglider will.  The Thunder Tiger's good, but it will break easily of course.  The Blizzard probably offers better soaring and aerobatic performance, but the Thunder Tiger is very nice too if you like the see-through balsa wing look better than the foam Blizzard.  To my mind the Blizzard looks a bit ordinary on the ground but is impressive in the air.


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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #135 on: March 22, 2009, 20:01:58 PM »
Does that mean I can't eat my sandwiches and drink my coffee like today when I was flying my EZ*, that must mean that I would have to keep looking at the Blizzard ALL THE TIME Hmmmmm, maybe its not for me, but I can smoke a fag and pick my nose while i'm flying the Wildthing so it might be OK.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #136 on: March 23, 2009, 18:05:46 PM »
I think I will stick to Wildthings for a while as my landings are not too good at all.

I was at Thurnham today WNW 30mph gusting to 38mph, I could handle the launching and flying with NO problems....LANDING was a different story, John who was with me could float it down right next to him time after time, I seem to go back behind me trying to make a proper approach and I finish up too far back or a controlled CRASH!! I did manage 1 good landing......but my last landing as I was going back behind me a strong gust hit it and in I went nose first and snapped the Fuzz. OH WELL its nearly back together again, I don't think you can kill a Wildthing......they just get heavier.

It's stripped ready for gluing but I am not to sure if I should use epoxy or the white glue that came with the kit that I joined the wings together with...any tips would be great?.

I was surprised that no one else was flying up there today, and I was also surprised that the Wildthing flies in 30mph + winds at all, what a great model!!.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #137 on: March 23, 2009, 18:14:37 PM »
It's really hard to fly in 30mph+ winds.  I stopped by Long Man today after a work meeting and flew my carbon reinforced, heavy SAS Fusion 60.  The wind was 40mph and it was crazy.  Even the Fusion was like an EasyGlider in a hurricane.  I can't decide whether I had a heroic adventure or whether I was a muppet for trying to fly.  Here's the facts of the matter:

(1) Every time I held up my plane to launch it, it smacked me in the face.
(2) The wind broke my wind meter.
(3) I had about a dozen lashes (ie halfway between landings and crashes)
(4) I lost my cap.  I lost my frequency pennant.  (They blew over the back and lodged in the Long Man's armpit, probably).
(5) Dazed and confused, I took the wrong path back down and ended up about a mile from my car.

So based on the evidence I would have to say I was definitely a muppet!  Had amazing flights though, and maybe that's all that really counts...


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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #138 on: March 23, 2009, 18:27:28 PM »
To be honest, I loved it, I would have thought that a 60" Fusion would have flown a lot better than a 46" Wildthing in the big blow today, as I said launching and flying was the easy part for me, and both of us was getting some terrific height it was great, I will be flying again in those winds with the Wildthing, but how did you get on with landings, is it normal to be that hard in that kind of wind, or am I just crap....the latter I guess.....any help on which glue for the Black foam Fuzz?

The wind was so strong that you could put the plane by your chest and let go and it would not fall, it was great.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #139 on: March 23, 2009, 18:30:15 PM »
Its a wing thing
All wings are tricky to land well in high wind
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #140 on: March 23, 2009, 18:37:11 PM »
Its a wing thing
All wings are tricky to land well in high wind


I found it very hard, but what John was doing was to get the WT just above head height to the left of him, then dropping the right wing and planting it gently at his feet, time after time, I could not as much as I tried get into the position to drop the right wing, I suppose he is just gifted.

It makes me feel a bit better by you saying that wings are harder to land in a good blow.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #141 on: March 23, 2009, 19:16:39 PM »
I think the trouble is that landing across the slope they are just too fast (no brakes) and doing a square landing they don't hold enough energy/penetration and you risk going over the back

my only advice would be to fly up the slope towards yourself and hope plane meets ground before plane meets head  :laugh:

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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #142 on: March 23, 2009, 19:21:09 PM »
I found it very hard, but what John was doing was to get the WT just above head height to the left of him, then dropping the right wing and planting it gently at his feet, time after time, I could not as much as I tried get into the position to drop the right wing, I suppose he is just gifted.

It makes me feel a bit better by you saying that wings are harder to land in a good blow.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #143 on: March 23, 2009, 19:29:50 PM »
I think the trouble is that landing across the slope they are just too fast (no brakes) and doing a square landing they don't hold enough energy/penetration and you risk going over the back


yup, you do the square approach, push in some down on the final leg and you effectively put a load of camber into the section, so rather than penetrating you tend to ballon up, then the wind gets under you and you cartwheel off downwind

proof that a flying wing has a narrower operating range when compared to a similar span conventional layout
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #144 on: March 23, 2009, 19:51:34 PM »
Thanks Paul I was waiting for your knowledge to put some sense to what i was trying to say
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #145 on: March 24, 2009, 03:55:32 AM »
Pleasure to meet you on Friday Aeronaut, Pity the wind wasn't playing ball, it could have been a good flying afternoon at Holly Hill. Easterlies are a no no there sadly, like SW'lies

I agree with you on the slope being good. It just takes a little care and luck on the landing to avoid anything nasty coming into contact with your model. My Blob is just the right tool for the site and has survived relatively unscathed for 15 years..so far... :af

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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #146 on: March 24, 2009, 08:16:17 AM »
Gary
The next time your my way in a north, try to fly the north bowl at butts
I can't believe i had never flown it
I think its one of the best slope I've flown
I had nice clean lift, A landing zone the size of a small country and a bowl three times the size of firle  ::cc

the only down side seems so be the walk, as its over the next ridge from the east bowl

the landing zone is like firle without the carpark of fences

I have yet to try in in a good blow to see what the turb and lift is like then

I was flying the Aldij quite happy in a 6 with gusts up to 8

and you could almost land on the dark side  :af
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« Reply #147 on: March 24, 2009, 20:53:52 PM »
Sounds good, I'll definitely have to get there.  I had a look at that slope, it looked great, really big and really steep.  Long Man is an amazing place, that's for sure.  I don't mind the hike - but I wouldn't try to lug a 4-metre scale glider up there!


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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #148 on: March 25, 2009, 21:14:14 PM »
T'other day I bumped into an expert flyer I know, Steve, so I let him fly my Jart.  It was nice to be able to photograph it.  Not sure I'll be able to get away this weekend, anybody forming any plans?
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #149 on: March 25, 2009, 21:56:53 PM »
Kids all weekend for me :'(
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #150 on: March 25, 2009, 22:33:27 PM »
Looks like Firle possibly on Saturday afternoon or Long man on Sunday. Might take a walk over to Caburn tomorrow if the wind gets a goes a bit more southerly.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #151 on: March 26, 2009, 18:17:33 PM »
Another great day at Thurnam, there were 4 of us, a guy from France with something that looks like an Albatross, it flew very nice, 2 Wildthings, and I think his name is Reg with a pilon'ish thing.

It was SW strong wind with very strong gusts, if I was to guess I would say it was 25mph and gusts up to 35mph.

Today there was only 1 drama, John forgot to switch his RX on and his WThing nearly went to Hollingbourne...I did laugh.

Whoopee I managed ALL PERFECT LANDINGS, I hope it continues, plus I found that doing loops, rolls etc. were easy in the SW, so all in all a good day was had.......Roll on tomorrow. ;D
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #152 on: March 28, 2009, 00:48:21 AM »
looking good for Firle, anyone one about in the afternoon??
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #153 on: April 01, 2009, 09:35:37 AM »
Bopeep today  :af

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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #154 on: April 01, 2009, 12:23:11 PM »
good luck Allen, I'd be interested to know how it goes. With it being such a heavy weight I would have thought you'd have given it a toss the week.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #155 on: April 01, 2009, 15:27:42 PM »
Allen. I'll try to get to Bopeep this evening about 5.30-6 with any luck may see you there
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #156 on: April 01, 2009, 15:43:40 PM »
Home now, was great day
lots of turb on the launch due to bushes at the lip of the bowl, but once out smooth and strong lift Bedlam struggled to penetrate and even ended up pinned to the fence after landing  lol

P6 was great, needed a little camber to get out to the bowl, but once out was amazing the pro wing is something else i think i spent more time inverted that right way up  lol

As i had never flown bopeep before i was not sure where to launch, its a big slope and i may have been launching in a turb place anyway

The only thing i need to do is mod the rudder as a perfect textbook landing still ripped the rudder off, just gonna take 10mm of the bottom for better ground clearance

The Aldij fully ballasted was in her element even with full ballast i had to stop her from disappearing in to the clouds (what there was of them)

good days flying, shame it was only me and two handgliders
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #157 on: April 01, 2009, 19:58:15 PM »
Allen,just got back from Bopeep, awesome lift, wind was 45+mph. I see what you mean about the turbulence at the lip, taped as much lead as I had on to the synergy. It took awhile to get out but once out about 40yds it was quite smooth.
Where did you fly from? If you go East from the car park past the bushes and dew pond to the top of the hill there's a wide open space with no bushes and a huge landing area even I can get down in.
Looking like SSW for Saturday possibly Long man in the afternoon
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #158 on: April 01, 2009, 20:56:30 PM »
I wish I'd been able to get to Bopeep, that's one of my favourite sites.  I was working in the Thames Valley so I stopped at Butser Hill, Hampshire, on the way home.  That has quite a good northeast slope but the wind was a bit too ENE and frankly the lift was lousy.  Butser is okay, but those premier south downs slopes are a hard act to follow.
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Re: South East Flyers
« Reply #159 on: April 01, 2009, 21:13:57 PM »
John and myself spent all afternoon at Minster I O Sheppy along with a few from Barton Point Club, 15 to 20 mph NE lovely sun shine, flask of coffee, NO WIFE..............it was great.......Same again tomorrow ;D
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