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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2014, 07:50:21 AM »
Come on, why not  a 4 metre Jart?  Or 3 metre at least.  If you're going to the trouble of scratch building a Jart, a large one would be amazing, whereas 2 metres would be a bit "Oh, a slightly bigger Jart, whatever."

Did you mean it when you said you don't like the Schwing?  I've seen them fly great.  However, I think once we're used to F3F models, anything a bit smaller perhaps doesn't seem so great.  I do think the Schwing is a very nice model for what it is through.

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2014, 08:49:47 AM »
The schwing is not a bad plane, it flys amazing, just does not belong anywhere
It's to fast for a sports model but no good for F3F
just has no place in my fleet.
F3F is about alround speed in all conditions the schwing would not be fast on a light day
IMHO to fast for a good aerobatic model, (at the LM I ran out of bowl) a ridge or cliff would be better.
not sure what market this model was aimed at ?
A FAST sports model for 15-40mph I guess.
I cant slate the plane but if clarkson reviewed it he would say "it's like a Ferrari at a rally"
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2014, 08:51:11 AM »
Come on, why not  a 4 metre Jart?  Or 3 metre at least.
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2014, 09:40:45 AM »
Oh and I have learnt my lesson when it comes to BIG models
Yes they look fantastic and fly fantastic and you get "strokes" from all the slopers
But its just no worth it IMHO.
Takes up a large amount of your hanger
Almost kills you getting it to the slope
Is often the only model you can carry
Only take the tiniest problem to gound it
Hard to enjoy the flight
The flight window is usually small
I am backing way from BIG models, I would rather watch someone elses  :af
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2014, 09:55:06 AM »
not sure what market this model was aimed at ?
But the Schwing is selling all over the world (UK, Europe, USA, Aussie, Far East, etc...)
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2014, 11:16:25 AM »
Oh and I have learnt my lesson when it comes to BIG models
Yes they look fantastic and fly fantastic and you get "strokes" from all the slopers
But its just no worth it IMHO.
Takes up a large amount of your hanger
Almost kills you getting it to the slope
Is often the only model you can carry
Only take the tiniest problem to gound it
Hard to enjoy the flight
The flight window is usually small
I am backing way from BIG models, I would rather watch someone elses  :af

How very dare you!!

Everything you say is completely true of course though Allen!

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2014, 12:05:28 PM »
Talking of small models
First batch of Dream-Flight Libelle are entering the country in the next few days already have homes to goto but one is MINE ALL MINE wahaaaaa
all paid for and I will soon be soaring ANTHING that generates enough lift   :af

First on the list is my roof followed closely by my office, hedge rows, parked cars, the list will be endless   :D
« Last Edit: March 21, 2014, 12:07:53 PM by Allen the soarer »
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2014, 12:47:50 PM »
Yeah, it's interesting what you say about big models Allen.  I slightly miss the days when I had one simple model always in the car ready to go, and I would just stop by flying sites on the way past for a quick, simple fly. 

I find my 5.3 metre Duo Discus a bit of a faff to get out of the loft and into the car etc, I'm a bit lazy or impatient or something.  Flies great though. 

So I think I'll always keep a couple of small models, a couple of mid models and a couple of large models.
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2014, 12:48:54 PM »
Speaking of models, I came across this Bob Carlos Clarke photo and thought it might amuse ...

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2014, 13:03:49 PM »
 :D :D :D

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2014, 13:11:24 PM »
Whats the RC for ?
that position suits me just fine,
cant imagine how tricky it would be to set up a mix for the washing up  :D
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2014, 20:09:10 PM »
Oh and I have learnt my lesson when it comes to BIG models
Yes they look fantastic and fly fantastic and you get "strokes" from all the slopers
But its just no worth it IMHO.
Takes up a large amount of your hanger
Almost kills you getting it to the slope
Is often the only model you can carry
Only take the tiniest problem to gound it
Hard to enjoy the flight
The flight window is usually small
I am backing way from BIG models, I would rather watch someone elses  :af
Hi Allen, Good to see you last week.

After seeing Simon's 7.2 metre 25 kg ASG 29 flying this afternoon at Thurnham, I'll comment on your post as follows:

Yes they look fantastic and fly fantastic and you get "strokes" from all the slopers - yes agreed, the model and Simon received many complimentary comments.

But its just no worth it IMHO - IMHO Simon's 700 hours building his Big 'Un was definitely worth it.

Takes up a large amount of your hanger - Simon has a big 'hanger' and resulting from his clever designing of the structure, the longest piece of the ASG 29 is only 1.8 metres. :)

Almost kills you getting it to the slope - Simon is still alive after the 1/2 mile uphill trek to Bopeep East, however the 100 metre stroll to the Thurnham slope was much more preferable. ;)

Is often the only model you can carry - Simon has a dedicated ground support crew and they carry the spare models. :af

Only take the tiniest problem to ground it - Simon has applied the KISS principle to his beautifully engineered ASG 29 so that cuts down on the possibility of tiny problems occurring. :xx

Hard to enjoy the flight - if you had seen Simon doing loops, chandelles and four and eight point rolls with his beast then you would have been in no doubt that he was enjoying himself. Possibly not during the first exploratory launch at Thurnham but once launcher Paul W had sussed out a better launch point, Simon was able to enjoy both the subsequent launch and his immaculate low speed landings.

The flight window is usually small - The windspeeds that the ASG 29 can fly in on the slope seem to range from about 12 mph to well over 30 mph (which it was gusting to this afternoon) which is quite acceptable and, not really working at it, Simon was able to clock up a speed of 115mph - more to come I am sure! However, holding the radar gun as it shot over our heads was a bit nerve wracking for me though!  :o - everyone else rapidly disappeared out of the line of fire!!

I am backing way from BIG models, I would rather watch someone else's. - Everyone enjoyed watching but I'm sure that Simon enjoyed it even more than the rest of us - 700 hours of building time very well rewarded!  :) :)  You'll love it when you see it in the air next time we are on the South Downs, Allen.

PS - Keep your eyes peeled for a video of the afternoon's activities from our resident video guru, Mr Goodwind.

PPS - and for those of us who like things that are big, here's 'something for the weekend' for you to enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MdVPqDQeRE
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2014, 20:27:25 PM »
I was refuring to myself and not Simon
If I had Simons Life I would have 1400 hours of models  ;)

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2014, 21:51:10 PM »
After seeing Simon's 7.2 metre 25 kg ASG 29 flying this afternoon at Thurnham, I'll comment on your post as follows:

Did Paul do a solo launch? :D

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2014, 22:07:45 PM »
Did Paul do a solo launch? :D

David and Charlie were my able assistants this tie round, the first was a 'comedy' launch (didn't feel it at the time though!) the second was a lot better, Eric captured all....hopefully I'll get onto the editing early next week!
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2014, 10:02:57 AM »
Hey chaps, keep an eye on next Wednesday's weather, it might be northerly  :) Firle maybe  :af
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2014, 16:09:41 PM »
Hey chaps, keep an eye on next Wednesday's weather, it might be northerly  :) Firle maybe  :af
I'll be working unfortunately

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2014, 18:01:48 PM »
I'll be working unfortunately

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2014, 19:07:44 PM »
Anybody out flying tomorrow, if so where and can I come please?


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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #59 on: March 23, 2014, 08:07:34 AM »
me too, sadly
I'll be working on the Isle of Sheep on Wednesday, so I'll be able to have a quick fly at lunchtime  :af
. . . and afterwards I might see this clever chappie!  ???

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Anybody out flying tomorrow, if so where and can I come please?
As it's forecast NWish today, I think you are going to be out of luck Martyn, unless you fancy the trek to either Firle Beacon or Farthing Common - I believe both are equidistant for you.
I can't go flying today as I have some work to do on the car for its MOT. . . and there's a few gardening tasks lined up for me.
Best of luck.

Edit 22:15hrs - Had to go to Planet Thanet this morning so chucked a model into the car just in case and was able to have a couple of hours of excellent soaring at Bishopstone Cliffs on the way back this afternoon in the company of a friendly paraglider.  :af  Gardening didn't get done!

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #60 on: March 24, 2014, 22:05:43 PM »
Any of you guys fancy a Schwing before it finds it's way on to BMFA cas ??
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #61 on: March 25, 2014, 08:49:22 AM »
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2014, 06:32:43 AM »
I saw the new video on Goodwind Soaring of Simon's big ASG flying at Thurnham, it looks like it flew really well there, plenty of lift for it. Well done Simon.

(My favourite bit is at the end where Simon flies it down the lane and into the pub and dips its nose into a beer).

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #63 on: March 28, 2014, 09:07:04 AM »
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #64 on: March 28, 2014, 09:13:11 AM »
Looks like we've got a couple of nice Holly-days at the weekend.
I'll be there at sometime over the weekend, just got to get my car through its MOT first.  :xx

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #65 on: March 28, 2014, 16:18:23 PM »
Looks like we've got a couple of nice Holly-days at the weekend.

I'm hoping to get out tomorrow after a few non-flying weeks  :D
Thinking of either Beachy Head (day trippers could be an issue there) or go to Ivinghoe...although unsure what the SE slope is like there, anyone flown it?

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #66 on: March 28, 2014, 21:19:02 PM »
I'm also feeling a bit tempted to get to Beachy Head.

Unfortunately I can only do Monday, but I think the wind might be too southerly by then. The main slope faces ESE, any wind between SE and E is great. (People often think Beachy Head must be south-facing because it's on the south coast, but look on the map, it's almost directly east.)

The walkers are definitely going to be an issue. When they see a plane coming in to land, they all converge on the landing zone to get a close look. It's quite alarming!

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #67 on: March 28, 2014, 23:45:57 PM »
Looking good for Holly tomorrow morning. If my car passes its MOT retest first thing then my next stop will be Holly Hill.

Thanks for posting your excellent picture of Simon and me at Beachy Head with your PrismaRay in the foreground. It looks like Simon is flying my Phase 6 but his model, the Luna I believe, was out of shot at the time.

Met office shows a nice easterly Monday but unfortunately I won't be able to make it as I'll be stuck in the office getting all the end-of-year project reports completed. :'(
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #68 on: March 29, 2014, 07:53:01 AM »
DIY for me all weekend  :'(
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #69 on: March 29, 2014, 09:00:44 AM »
I've just realised how few slopes we have for when the wind is in the E to SE direction. 

Beachy is perfect for that, but where else?  Holly is more for S to SE.  Butts has an E bowl, but it is slightly NE, I don't think it would be much good for anything south of E.  Butts also has a separate minor SE bowl, quite a hike away, seldom used, I guess that would work but it's not worth travelling any distance to. Hindover Hill would work ("High and Over"), but again that is a minor and seldom used site (very popular with paragliders though). 

Anyone know of any other slopes for E to SE winds?



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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #70 on: March 29, 2014, 09:09:51 AM »
Butts has a slope over the SE side over the golf corse
More of a foamie slope IMO

Butts East is a bowl and will take ENE through to ESE
and a SE can be flown on the far ridge with good DSing over the back in (north slope side)

Beachy head will take ESE though to SSW moving from whitbread hollow round to the far bowl to the right of the pub
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #71 on: March 29, 2014, 09:50:06 AM »
Looking good for Holly tomorrow morning. If my car passes its MOT retest first thing then my next stop will be Holly Hill.
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #72 on: March 29, 2014, 14:35:17 PM »
Beachy Head was Epic today :)
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #73 on: March 29, 2014, 16:44:20 PM »
If anybody has bought or is going to buy a Dream Flight Libelle do yourself a massive favour and DO NOT use Hitec HS-35HD, they are the worse servo ever!
I bought 4, centred all the control horns etc, fitted them, they worked fine. This morning I went to set up the plane and an aileron servo went mad to say the least (it was fine last night), it was jumping all over the place and I had very little control over it.
There are no stocks of new HS-35HD in the UK (which in hind-sight is a blessing) so I found a couple of other little ones (New Power XL-3.7) I fitted these and was just about to balance the plane and the elevator servo started doing something very similar to the other faulty one (it was fine this morning), the air was blue for about 5 minutes. I must also mention that the HS-35ís are too fragile, I destroyed both the good and faulty one removing it from the wing.
I canít believe that a company who on the whole manufactures pretty good kit put their name to the HS-35HD.
I was warned by Rich from T9 not to use these but had already ordered them.
Take heed people

PS I have a lot of experience with different servos and electronics and to my knowledge I havenít done anything to cause these faults.
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #74 on: March 29, 2014, 17:41:52 PM »
I have Libelle
but I have ordered 4x tower pro 50s £10 fot the lot  lol
worth every penny of £2.50
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #75 on: March 29, 2014, 19:30:55 PM »
I just gave mine it's maiden, seems ok but you need to something to the vertical stab/rudder, I epoxied mine and it still fell off (no damage) re glued with 1 hour epoxy
I seem to have an aileron that's bent, once lined up at the outer point of the wing it's about 5 mm+ different at the other end FFS
But for a foam DLG it's ok


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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #76 on: March 30, 2014, 09:37:03 AM »
Beachy Head was Epic today :)

What were the crowds like Allen?

I tried Ivinghoe Beacon for the first time yesterday, it took about the same time to drive there as it would've taken me to get down to Beachy Head. The breezy wind was slighty across the SE slope which is quite small to say the least, I was hoping there would've been more thermal activity to get some height but most of the time I was just eeking out what was going over the hill...and as windspeed increased the lift got worse as it was just blown out. Good landing area there though and a nice bunch of gents to chat with.

The North London day trippers who descended for the sightseeing were v well heeled, but also v curious about our flying toys...more so than on other popular slopes I've flown from!

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #77 on: March 30, 2014, 10:04:47 AM »
Ivinghoe is a nice place isn't it?  Very friendly guys, often in quite large numbers.  But the reason I haven't been there in ages is that the West slope is perhaps the only Ivinghoe slope worth travelling to.

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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #78 on: March 30, 2014, 11:07:09 AM »
Good session at Holly yesterday. Billy-no mates for first hour but then joined by Charlie and Les before I had to leave for family stuff.
Should be good there again today with maybe a bit lighter winds - my son is doing the Mother's Day duties.  :af
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Re: The South East Flyers Thread Part 2
« Reply #79 on: March 30, 2014, 16:00:05 PM »
I like to try produce local to slopes, so for mothers day I bought Ridgeview sparking wine, made at the foot of Ditchling Beacon.  Fantastic!  Better than champagne.  One of the best fizzes I have ever tasted.  Actually it has beaten champagne in international wine competitions, and the Queen served it for her jubilee.  Not cheap at £24, but if you want something special, Ridgeview Bloomsbury is the business.  You can get it from Waitrose or you can pop into the winery after a flying session.
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